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M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning approved]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,504 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It's called the M17 because it replaced the N17; until such point as it is the replacement for the N18 and which time it becomes the M18.

    Not because of any baffling idea that it is a Galway bypass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    Does the ACP send information by email? The one application I was a party to that went to them, I only got communication in the post. Same with two local authorities where I've made observations over the last couple of years. It's all been snail mail only, no email except for the receipt, I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I’m guessing that they can. All of the documentation is electronic - there’s no reason why it cannot be directly sent to the applicant who sought permission. The process for a major road project isn’t the same as for private citizens. Private applicants apply to a local authority and won’t see ACP at all unless their application gets forwarded to ACP as the result of an appeal; large civil infrastructure applications like this are submitted directly to ACP by the local authority.

    My feeling is that if a decision has been reached, then it isn’t going to be a straight yes or no. I really can’t see a “yes” coming through today when the same scheme was rejected on appeal the last time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,504 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Having been an original observer to two planning applications appealed to ABP, all comms were on paper.

    I didn't do the appeals - another observer did for one, and the applicant for the other!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    Were the rumours just rumours? Surely we’d have heard something by now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Nath


    The suspense is killing me!! Although in reality even if approved it's bound to be mired in appeals and legal challenges for several more years, which is disappointing.

    I've been looking at the route maps recently, I noticed there was some construction activity around the two boarded up houses on the Tuam Road N83, beside where the proposed ring road would intersect, which I believe will be a new housing estate?

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/vimKJRDL4oPQr3v47



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    "the first we’ll all know, is when the applicant, Galway County Council, and other [notice parties], receive registered mail through their doors,” said minister with responsibility for roads, and Galway East TD, Sean Canney

    https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/150213/no-white-smoke-yet-for-ring-road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭Pale Red


    I looked at ACP website and couldn't find any decisions area. They do offer access to decisions (and the reports which supported the decision) but won't tell you when they have reached a decision. They could release decisions on their website, say, a week after the decisions were posted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,504 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    This is great news. Lets get JCBs to work

    The dream of being able to get from Dublin to Barna in 100minutes is a day closer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    FF Social media today would suggest i was onto something...

    Guess we're off again. Gonna be disruptive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭xckjoo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,504 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That is not enacted so won't have any effect on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,667 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Fantastic news today. Finally some sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Can we get the thread title updated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 aigne


    Go hiontach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    Jack Chambers is quoted in that article as saying it has been drafted to be applicable to existing projects, so presumably could be applied in this case. I am sure there will be some retrospective provision to have ongoing climate-related JRs thrown out.

    The Greens also call it the effective repeal of the Climate Act, which it does seem to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,851 ✭✭✭plodder


    Good news. Won't be the solution to Galway City's traffic problems, but at least they will be contained to Galway city now.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭gilly1910


    I would have been a supporter of this ring road as well, but unfortunately I find it very hard to ever see this been built, as no doubt it will be held up for years by the usual suspects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    198 pages and almost 18 years since I first posted this thread, its interesting to see the third iteration of this road approved.

    Friends of the Irish Environment (an absolute bunch of stirrers - Peter Sweetmans lot) are already whipping up a frenzy. There will be guaranteed JRs to this, its just inevitable. But it still just simply needs to happen (and a lot more besides, in Galway).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I am thinking it will be built by 2032. Expect a grand opening in the summer of 2032.

    Looking forward to seeing all the conversion plans of ALL that freed up space on the current Road Network.

    Bus lanes abú! 😂



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Be interesting to see what they say in the docs, I predict a fair amount of dancing on the head of a pin over the climate obligations.

    On the new legislation, this will also definitely end up in court, so while it might prove useful long term, it'll also slow down projects for the first few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Consonata


    Lighting on fire 2 billion euro for single digit improvements to congestion is possibly the worst value for money infrastructure project we have committed to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Galway City Council says congestion will actually get worse in Galway once the ring road is in place. Clearly they’re one of these radicalised anti-common-sense organisations that just wants to make everyone miserable: from all the evidence so far, nobody hates Galway City like Galway City Council hates Galway City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Would have only cost €17m if it had been allowed to be built in 2008 as originally planned. All those objectors costing the state almost €2bn

    Imagine what it will cost in another 20 years if it doesn't get off of the ground this time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Yes, that's why this has to be the first stage of tackling traffic in Galway, not the final stage

    They can't enable the required bus corridors in Galway city, without taking traffic out of the city. To do this, they need a new road.

    Galway has geographical blockers, as well as facing issues related to the size of our streets. These can't be easily overcome.

    But if you take all the cars out of the city who dont need to be there, it will allow for a transformation of the city infrastructure.

    Without the relocation of those cars, nothing can or will happen in Galway city



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    But if you take all the cars out of the city who dont need to be there, it will allow for a transformation of the city infrastructure.

    What current roads to you see been 'freed' up post RR? i.e ready for conversion for high capacity usage ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭crusd


    The traffic getting worse per projections is not casued by the ring road, its casued by population growth, which is happening anyway and will be even worse on current trajectory.

    There are two solutions to traffic congestion in Galway - outer ring road and the provision of a fast eficeint public transport service alongside development of sustainable high density city living option, or return population and employment levels in and around the city to 1985 levels, when the current transport infrastructure was put in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    No the projection of worsening traffic was based on induced demand due to the building of the ring road. It's in the reports. It's very clearly stated that the building of the road will cause an increase in modal share of car usage and worsen things overall in the mid-to-long term.

    To reiterate again, most of us that are against this are against it because their own reports indicate its a bad plan. All for building things that'll improve things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    The year is 2056. Galway traffic is worse than ever. Galway City Council insists that the long-awaited New Outer Bypass (from An Spidéal to Athenry) will finally relieve the infamous congestion on the Ring Road, solving the city’s traffic woes once and for all. The Council insists that after the NOB is completed in 2067 it will be possible to consider improvements to public transport and active travel in the city centre (funding permitting). It also promises to publish the Galway Metropolitan Area Transport Strategy as soon as a planning decision has been made on the separate New Outer Bypass Relief Road, seen as critical to relieving projected congestion on the New Outer Bypass.



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