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Fuel protest about prices

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭dmakc


    MM literally said the Whitegate element is what drew him into it this morning on RTE. He couldn't care less about elsewhere.

    If you want absolutely nothing done, protest the embassy of a country in a separate mess of their own creating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭1641


    This sabotage is costing the country millions by the day. But even it ends up costing €100 million the givernment cannot afford to give in. That will only lead to an avalanche of other narrow interests (plus the permanently disaffected) wrapping a tricolour around themselves, declaring "we are the people" and demanding god knows what, while bringing normal life to a standstill with barricades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Mayo and Louth


    Drove past my rural, normally sleepy, forecourt just awhile ago and its a serious hive of activity now with queues of cars looking to get filled. If this is the same all around the country, then its imperative that the blockades on the fuel depots need to be cleared asap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I can't tell you, as you'll form a coup with the army and go beat them up like the big man you're claiming to be all morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭bladespin


    It's very much not a narrow interest, and it doesn't sound like the government are doing their job from reading your post.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭rayman10


    You can't tell me because there are no delegates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Its official website ie.usembassy.gov still lists it's address as 42 Elgin Road, Ballsbridge, Dublin 4 and the ambassador's residence is at the Deerfield Residence in Phoenix Park. Israel didn't like being told the truth so took their ball and went home with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,225 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Remind us again why Whitegate and other fuel depots are being targeted by the protesters? Are they looking for more scarcity and higher fuel prices? Because that's exactly what they have achieved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭1641


    They are not a representative group. They have incoherent demands. They have no leadership structure. And most of all they are not "protesting". They are acting illegally, blocking ordinary life and making ransom demands. The government might as well negotiate and try to cut a deal with bank robbers. Then next week there will be another crew holding up the bank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    I'll await petrol stations going out of business - maybe you could compile a live list for me?

    Good lad.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭rayman10


    Because the delegates instructed them to do it.

    The ones who want the government to pick up the phone to them but won't give out their number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The disrupters are not the brightest, that is for sure. Hope the Gardai and army go in and do their job. I am fined for leaving my car in the wrong place: how come tractors and lorries do not get fined and penalty points?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,284 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So the protesters are protesting against the rise in the cost of fuel which is caused by trump and Benny, but the answer the protesters have come up with is to block Irelands one and only refinery so that we have to deal with higher prices and a lack of fuel? Right………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,225 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    While I share your thoughts on the idiots blockading the terminals and how they are being aided rather than arrested by Gardaí I do hope it doesn't descend into violence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    This is where they will lose the peoples support. All fine having a slow moving protest on motorway and causing a bit of hassle for people but when they stop the fuel getting to the forecourts people wont be long in getting sick of this

    I have sympathy for them but it's the people who are supporting them that they are hurting now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,554 ✭✭✭bladespin


    The involvement by the Defence Forces in managing fuel protests will be “limited and of a practical nature”, Acting Deputy Commissioner Paul Cleary has said.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭GSBellew




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Spot on and I am affected by the protests. This episode is an example of a complacent and incompetent government lead by MichaelMartinand Simon Harris. FF, FG, and all the influential independents, who were brought into government because, to paraphrase Lyndon B. Johnson, they believed it would be better 'to have them in the tent, p****** out, than to have them outside p****** in'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    this has been coming for a few yrs now.the level of frustration out there is very real.ffg need to go and go now.along with there backers.yes the Shinners and soc dems are no better but after 100 years of ffg it can’t get any worse.

    100% in support of this rise by ordinary folks sick of been screwed over



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,225 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I wonder how long the countries ambulance, fire and other emergency services can keep going without fuel being supplied to the forecourts… Wonder do the protesters care?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Ah come on, people on here are being deliberately obtuse about the protests.

    Protests without actual obstruction of daily life don't get noticed, end of. That's why strikes block people going in and out of places of work. So the people saying "oh that's not a protest, they're bandits holding the country to ransom" is nonsense. Nothing ever gets done until something is burning. Look at the water protests, if people hadn't have blocked the water meter installers, we'd all have been paying that tax now. It certainly wouldn't have changed if it was just a few placards outside Leinster House.

    They don't appear to have incoherent demands as far as I can see. They're looking for a decent, temporary reduction in the amount of VAT charged by the government on fuel. Either reduce the percentage, or make it a flat rate per litre e.g. whatever they were getting per litre on average over the course of 2025.

    Yes, the price hikes are not the government's fault. It doesn't mean that they do not have a responsibility to mitigate the effects of the price hikes on the general population. Fuel is central to everything, and no one wants a return to the runaway inflation of 2023. It is so clearly one of the times where economic intervention is warranted - and sitting on their hands hoping the Iranian conflict ends is irresponsible at best and downright negligent as an elected government at worst.

    Now the protesters are definitely walking a delicate line. They know that endless days of blockades are going to turn the public against them (and you can see the tide turning a bit already). They've made a strategic decision to go all out - blockade everything, including the refineries, while the public are still generally behind them. Pictures of queues at petrol stations might, MIGHT, make the government take additional steps towards easing the cost burden.

    Pictures of them fighting with the gardai/army as they start to be moved will only feed the FG narrative that these are a hodgepodge group of violent individuals intent on causing more trouble to the public. So they need to play all their cards before that happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    I suppose you could equally say the Government are hurting the people by deliberately ignoring this for so long and not engaging. Even today they have said they are having a meeting "tomorrow". What's wrong with having the meeting today, this is an emergency! Think for ONE minute how much extra tax this Government has taken from us, the ordinary decent worker, since this war started. Think about that! And yet they can't have a meeting today?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭thejuggler


    Utter stupidity from the protesters who have been hoodwinked by far right groups into taking this action. Blocking the refinery only creates a fuel shortage and bingo the price increases. Joined up thinking is in short supply from theses individuals who have no plan, no strategy and no hope. Public opinion will turn strongly against them within a few days. The army and gardai need to take action and seize vehicles until these blockades end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    People stuck to a standstill in parts of the Country on Tuesday for a few hours were not supporting the "protestors", not if you had work or a funeral or ferry or interview to go to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    We haven't all come together. Its a tiny tiny minority of the population.

    The thicko community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    I totally agree with you , the government need to act now, not tomorrow or next week

    i am making the point that the protest changing tactics will do them no favours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,411 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DW5x3LMIPp-/?igsh=cjRweGF1OWl5d2E1

    Looks like the hard pressed working man is getting sick of these people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    In fairness they seem to have the support of the majority of the country, but i cant see this lasting if it continues much longer.

    And yes the government need to act fast, and dont patronize the people again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,510 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    In fairness, they're farmers and hauliers; it's not exactly the intelligentsia we're dealing with here.

    As I said previously..they don't seem to know what they want themselves. One poster above said a VAT reduction, he might tell them that's their goal as all you hear from them is 'a bitta support/a helping hand/to be heard' etc. There is very little in the way of actual goals here. They're claming to all be on the same page but also individuals who don't speak for one another so try engaging with that sensibly.



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