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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,720 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Thats an interesting interview for sure.

    It goes to show how a lot of red versus blue debate over the US is really redundant as far as the rest of the world is concerned, they're warmongers either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    So in the hours leading up to the possibility of Trump launching nuclear weapons/conventionallly bombing Iran back to the stone age/invading the country despite having no authority to do so; won't anyone think of the checks and balances? Are there any defenders left of Americas much vaunted system of checks and balances that seems to have been like everything in the states; a house of cards? Anyone?

    Thoughts and prayers to all, as a single mad manchild surrounded by the dregs of humanity takes the world closer to the edge of the abyss. Who knows what the morning will bring? The Mango Mussolini probably doesn't even know what he's going to do by 1am our time. His defenders who defend him directly or indirectly need a good kick up the hole for their part in enabling this situation. It's absolutely insane that I find myself agreeing with that pathetic excuse for a human being Marjorie Taylor Greene on her calling out of his enablers even though she was one. What an insane time to be living through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,568 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I don't care about your "link".

    40k protesters were not killed in Iran and there's no proof whatsoever that Harris would have attacked either.

    It's bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

    It's just soft support for Trump's actions and everyone can see right through you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,989 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "Like I said both red and blue were going to get into it with Iran directly"

    Please point to the time that Joe Biden initiated a series of military actions against Iran that have the same level of imminent potential for economic catastrophe, if not general catastrophe, because I must have missed it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Exactly!!!

    We live in bizarro land when the Dems, Hillary, Harris and even Tucker Carlson are held up on a pedestal just to bash Trump. His actions don't require his adversaries to be held in high regard, they speak for themselves.

    Just for clarification I don't in any way justify the Iranian regime because the Americans are bad. They equally are war mongers and mass murderers of their own people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 572 ✭✭✭pad406


    By interview you mean that 30sec clip?

    Buy you conveniently forgot to include the question she was answering, which was

    “If Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel what would our response be?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,989 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,159 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Given that Trump is claiming to have sent a large amount of weapons to the "protestors" it's difficult to know what was going on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Didn't he rip up a deal that was pretty similar to his deal in his first time? So he's making a deal that Obama made however he has pretty much thrown the entire globe into economic uncertainty. I don't believe a deal will be made tonight but even if he does, it was something Obama did without an ill planned war.

    Btw, Harris viewing Iran as a threat doesn't equal her entering an ill planned war. Ill planned initiatives generally tend to originate from Trump though. I'm sure she'd have threatened Greenland and pushed Russian propaganda too, right? It's like your fallback is but Biden or Harris...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    He didn't but plenty on his side did. He also didn't stop the Israeli's in GAZA when it became clear HAMAS were no longer a major threat. He isn't president now though so we won't know what his administration would have done but there's plenty of hints from their candidate Harris who calls Iran her biggest enemy, likewise Hillary who not only was she a candidate but the wife of a two term democrat president.

    Obama in Libya showed how he reacted to regime's that massacred their civilians.

    @Tony EH even Iran admitted they killed a few thousand. Do you think they lowballed the number?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,989 ✭✭✭✭briany


    So, he didn't attack Iran. There we go. You said it was inevitable red or blue, yet Biden didn't. You're taking an out of context clip of what Hillary said, as mentioned by @pad406 and using that to characterise a whole party platform. You're being completely disingenuous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,361 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    But wasn't HC touted as the war monger and the continuation of the same old, and Trump was going to change everything? And now we are down to 'well, they are all the same'. So why not vote for the more experienced one then? Because of Trump's inexperience, and in 2024 is downright illegality, he was pushed away because Harris would be so much worse.

    GWB is not the same as Obama. In fact, many claimed that Obama was too weak. Biden, at no point in his 4 years, ever ever even remotely, came close to the calls for war crimes to be carried out.

    There may be similar feelings in both parties. Iran is a bad place, but then I would hazard a guess that most sane people would see Iran as a terrible regime. But does that similar viewpoint mean that we would all act in the same manner as Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,159 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Trump claims to have armed the protesters,, that changes the rhetoric drastically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The only difference now is Iran's military industrial complex is severely compromised and would take years to rebuild. They've lost their position of power. Hezbollah is severely weakened and HAMAS not doing the best. At the rate Iran was building it's missile's it would have become far more costly to attack them down the line. It was becoming a now or never moment. Iran for years had been stalling by agreeing not to enrich the Iranian further while their ballistic stock piles grew massively. They've also been chucked out of Syria. Never have they been so isolated especially now they've gone to war against their gulf allies.

    Imo Iran have completely fucked it up and nobody feels sorry for that regime after they murdered protesters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I said I think it would be happening now regardless of who won the last election. It's kang or kodus when it comes to Israel in American elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Hahah, we have gone from "but Biden" to "but Hilary"

    Trump supporters are a mystery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Iran are effectively holding the globe's oil supply hostage. No real regime change has been achieved. This won't be viewed as a victory for Trump by the end of this and rightfully so cause it's been a **** show. But keep cheerleading it sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,568 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    even Iran admitted they killed a few thousand. Do you think they lowballed the number?

    There are numerous lies being spun about the death toll in the Iranian protests at the beginning of the year. False figures are always north of 30,000. This was merely a worst case scenario put forth from people outside the country while the protests were still going on. They have been subsequently shown to be false, yet there are still liars going around repeating figures of 30,000, 33,000, 36,000 and so on. And now we have you with your 40,000.

    The fact is, and I cannot believe that I have to reiterate this yet again in face of yet another lie, that the only reliable death toll figure that is currently available is from the human rights organisation (IHR) that have been actively gathering the names of the dead…all the dead…and have published the figure of 7007 as of the end of February, with approx. 11,700+ names that they were still investigating.

    Even if all 11,700+ names were in fact dead, it would still be nowhere near this nonsensical lie of 30,000 or 40,000.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No it isn't and no it doesn't.

    "I will attack Iran if they launch a nuclear weapon at Israel" is a million miles away from what is happening at the moment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    “As president, I will take whatever actions are necessary to protect the United States and our allies. I will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon.”

    Thanks for the clarification. Here's another quote. Like I said earlier their strategy seemed to be stall the final piece of the nuclear puzzle while they build up a massive stockpile of ballistics and other weapons.

    Their fatal mistake was pushing their proxies into attacking Israel which led to their general in Syria getting killed. I don't believe any American president would have left Israel to fight the Iranian regime alone.

    Iran lost any remaining goodwill when it started supplying weapons to Russia to kill Europeans and murdering it's own civilians in a mass killing event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,989 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Your thinking is in error. Maybe you're basing it on that out-of-context Clinton clip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    There's a lot more to it then that. Hillary wasn't a candidate for this election but Harris was and the al Jazeera article on here was telling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,720 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    consider me bamboozled by an edited clip.

    I also fell for an AI generated animal video earlier so perhaps it's time to get off the Internet before I do damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,361 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    So its the kiling of people that was the trigger? Trump is actually on a peace mission?

    Wait until Trump hears about the amouint of civilians that Israel have killed in Gaza. Or the amount of Ukrainians that Putin has killed and how many balistic missiles he has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,633 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You are really wasting your time posting here when Trump is in desperate need of a script writer in the caliber of Karoline Leavitt to get him out of a hole of nobody else`s making other than himself.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    "Oh Hey! Look over there!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,432 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You are all being trolled by one man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,565 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Why did you try to misrepresent what Clinton said?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Many of his statements remain outrageous and should not be trivialized. For example, they have changed how Denmark and Canada think about the US.



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