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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,682 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Biden 'effectively' had his career ended on being unfit to govern grounds, without any formal procedure being invoked. He had signalled his intention to seek another four years but his party went to him and asked him to step aside, saying they believed he was no longer up to the role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,158 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    He didn't do any such thing. During the election campaign Trump and Republicans were highly critical and even more hawkish on backing Israel than Biden\Harris.

    As has been pointed out to you:
    (1) There is no ceasefire really in place. Ample evidence of this has been provided to you in direct replies - zero engagement with the evidence.
    (2) Netanyahu had zero incentive to engage with any real ceasefire discussions pre election with a Trump win a possibility. It allowed braindead sloganeering like "Genocide Joe" to be trotted out, ignoring Trump's position. And with a Trump win he gets someone like Trump who he could drag into action against Iran.

    All you have are vague one liner posts like "he did more" without providing any facts or engaging with the multiple posters who have pointed this out to you. Just the same discredited point on repeat completely devoid of logic or evidence.

    It's not a point just made on this thread:

    Senior Biden administration officials have stepped up efforts in recent days to resolve the conflicts in Lebanon and Gaza — which would bring a boost to Vice President Harris in her election bid — but Israeli analysts say Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is waiting to see who is voted into the White House.
    "I don't see him rushing for a deal until the election," said political strategist Nadav Shtrauchler, who ran Netanyahu's 2019 reelection campaign. "This is something that doesn't help this administration, and maybe somehow does help Trump."

    https://www.npr.org/2024/11/01/nx-s1-5170303/2024-election-israel-gaza-lebanon-harris-trump-netanyahu

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,797 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    There were plenty of calls on this website about Biden and his mental capacity but they were instantly deleted and the posters banned- that is until Biden was forced to withdraw from the race for those very reasons -given Trump would like to jail journalists who disagree with him, it looks like the suppression of the truth is one constant, no matter who the president is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,300 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I remember many people getting all riled up when Catherine Connolly criticised the "military-industrial complex" to critique the madness where nations like USA prioritise military spending/profit over human welfare. These military-industrial complex countries can only prosper when the arms being manufactured are actually used. President Connolly warned us about it and people told her to shut up rather than upset the USA. The big arms companies are absolutely laughing now. They have a president who will use all their stocks readily or get his allies to do so. The CEOs of Lockheed Martin and Raytheon must get a report every week outlining how many Patriots and Tomahawks were used in the previous week and smile with glee at all the new orders coming in.

    Raytheon share price up 69% in last 12 months.

    Lockeed Martin share price up 48% in last 12 months.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    Wow,interesting that users calling for Biden to be removed were banned but currently on this thread you can call someone a pedo admirer for commenting on the current president of the US and nothing is done.

    Clear double standards



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Every person is a shifting bag of vectors on the issues of the day. Even the most rabid MAGA person probably has some opinion on inflation and that goes double for the Independents and former Democratic-voters who chose Trump. Americans aren’t particularly fond of making international comparisons. The fact that the supply chain shock of Covid and the state response to it was stoking inflation in nearly every advanced country passed many of them by. In addition, there seems to be a growing dissatisfaction with the government irrespective of its political hue. Voters feel deeply insecure about their future. On Gaza the malaise runs deeper than any particular candidate, a fact voters for both parties are beginning to wake up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,721 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Why are Trump and his supporters so obsessed with Biden?

    Is your only debating point 'but whatabout Biden?' You even use Trumpisms like 'sleepy Joe', it's sad.

    Any comments on the actual current president of the United States?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,797 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


     “you can call someone a pedo admirer for commenting on the current president of the US”

    Sorry, I don’t understand that comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    It was clear that Biden was not fit to run for and fulfill the role of president, but that was mostly to do with obvious frailty, and e.g. tripping over his words. He was also in the wrong over Gaza and support for Israel, but largely did right by Ukraine. Plenty of people acknowledged this at the time.

    Trump however, is assuredly stark raving mad at this juncture, and his madness has visibly accelerated over the last few months, and in particular following their attack on Iran. He is dangerous and wreckless, and is a genuine threat to the entire world.

    At least the Democrats eventually had the good sense to replace Biden, even if they left it far too late, and made a hames of it.

    Trump however is surrounded by gutless sycophant lackeys, who also enabled him to severely neuter supposed 'checks and balances', and the vast majority of what are self serving cowardly Republicans look unlikely to acknowledge the danger, never mind act on it.

    Politics in the US is so partisan and febrile currently that actually removing him might spur some sort of January 6th style insurrection among his extremely dim witted base.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    MOD NOTE: It seems that some people have forgotten that discussing moderation is not allowed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭8-10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,569 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well, in fairness to Fintan O'Toole, I think he probably was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Going off topic here but for my part was annoyed she seemed to be singling out Germany and the EU for delivering these warnings about dangers of an empowered "military industrial complex" + rearming.

    We need more weapons made here in Europe, as the world is clearly going straight to hell in a handbasket right now.

    Being pacifist and unarmed sadly does not confer immunity against other less high minded peoples' weapons being turned on you some day.

    The US is now unreliable as a protector at best and (while run by MAGA) a threat in itself at worst, and the reliance on their own bloated "MIC" for weaponry is one of the barrels they have many countries in Europe bent over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,569 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The problem was that you have serial, congenital, liars and a people that want to believe the lies they tell who will then go and vote against their best interests. With that kind of combination, you're doomed. No amount of truth or fact will counter something like that and people need to understand that clearly.

    The truth doesn't always beat the lie.

    I've been banging this drum for some time now, but I'll say it again. The right wing are liars, all of them. You can even see it on here. That side of the aisle has lying built into their system, at all levels, and it is absolutely intrinsic to their political methods and demonstrable on all of the major issues both at national and international level, right up to the current situation with Iran.

    On every political talking point they have lied through their teeth and you just simply cannot combat that.

    On the point that "inflation" was the "issue", the idea that Trump was going to "fix" it was utterly laughable to anyone honest given the track record of the man and the party he heads. This is now being played out in real time with prices of everything (not just eggs) skyrocketing and this time it is actually the direct fault of a President. One who's launched a war he swore he'd never start and has caused the chaos he promised to keep away from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,300 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Connolly mainly referenced the USA and Russia initially.

    USA spent $980 Billion on the military in 2025. China in 2nd place with $246 Billion.

    The arms industry can only make big profits if the arms are used and new orders come in annually. They don't care where they are used. Gaza, Ukraine, Middle East…

    Arms races always end well.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Trump is a recognised rapist at the minimum. In terms of questions on if he's fit to lead from a competence perspective. There's been a pretty clear decline. On top of that there's been lots of questions about his health that even go back to before he was elected the second time.

    The reality is Biden even with a decline didn't create anything like the chaos Trump has created. Now Trump is both behaving atrociously and is pretty clearly in decline but his supporters seem to be sidestepping it as they have throughout his political career. The fact that he is a rapist and people still fanboy over him that says a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    Its very believable. Supporting Orban is a direct act of support for Putin. Orban is Putins handbrake on the EU supporting Ukraine.

    The Trump administration is quite obviously compromised by the Russians in some shape or form and interfering in a European election to ensure an obviously Russian leaning politician is elected is just another corrupt American play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Sigma101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,400 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Well, yeah. Presumably there'll be peace once Israel exterminates every Palestinian in the area. I'm not sure why you're touting this as some kind of moral victory.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭midlander12


    But not 50% of the population. Those who feel that way would vote GOP every time, anyway. Needless to say the notion of Trump being 'anti-abortion' is itself a joke but it's America we're talking about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I think all the exit polls showed cost of living as the main issue. Overall I agree with you, anyway. My point was that the cost of living issue gave him an extra 5% or so of so-called 'Independents' on top of the MAGA lumpenproletariat who would have voted for him anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,282 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Can Biden and obama sue trump? He's obsessed to the point of stalking at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Only 20-25% of the population voted for him

    I'm not saying it was the reason, I'm saying for a certain set of his voters, that was the reason

    And for many of them it's not whether they believe he's anti abortion or not, it's whether they believe access to abortion would be restricted more or expanded more under both him and Harris. And then vote accordingly.

    There's many other reasons, inflation and immigration were much bigger reasons, but that's my point. There's this desire to imagine every Trump voter as an overweight white 50 year old in a red baseball cap but it simply wasn't the case. Right wing podcasts drove out a massive vote among younger people too....Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭fish fingers


    Maybe call him by his right name first, Joe Biden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭midlander12


    The ceasefire deal that was eventually accepted had been on offer from Biden and Blinken since the previous July.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,158 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I agree with you that 'swing voters' were influenced by that.

    But also, within that exit poll - if someone didn't vote for Harris because she was a black woman, then when asked in a poll they would likely answer with something like that. It's a justification not a real reason.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,400 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm not seeing how voting for a man who's been bankrupt that many times was ever going to fix the cost of living. That's before we add the benefits of hindsight.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I meant the 50% of the electorate who actually voted and I'm well aware that not all Trump voters are either over 50 or indeed white.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 599 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I know, I made that exact point in an earlier post.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,004 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I think it’s extremely likely that Trump isn’t playing with the full deck. Everything from his body language, his over exaggerated mannerisms, his quickness to become visibly and publicly irritable with little catalyst.



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