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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,361 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    What did Trump do concerning Gaza? He didn't stop selling arms to Israel, he didn't hold them to account for anything they did, and he never did anything either in the US or through the UN to stop Israel.

    What he did do was explicitly state that the US was more than happy for Israel to completely destroy Gaza, turn it into rubble.

    Israel, after carrying out all its aims, agreed to slow down their war on Gaza and the Palestinians, having suffered years of direct bombing and the cutting off of aid and medicines, was forced to agree to a ceasefire. A ceasefire that Israel continually ignored and continued to bomb and kill. All of which Trump has ignored.

    And Trump then went a step further, in case anybody was in any doubt as to which side he was on, by launching a war jointly with Israel.

    Biden didn't stop; the selling of weapons to Israel, either, did Trump.

    Biden didn't call out Israel on their genocide, nor did Trump

    Apart from the timing of Israel achieving its aims, what has Trump actually done about Gaza that you are happy with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,300 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I didn't make the point re Gaza. It was C Montgomery. My point is that he was called a paedophile admirer for making a point. There was no need for that. It's an easy one to argue. As Socrates said, when the debate is lost, slander becomes of the tool of the loser.

    For the record, and you can see my many many contributions on the Gaza thread, both presidents have let Gaza down horribly and Trump continues to do so. Netanyahu should be in prison along with all of the Israeli cabinet and senior IDF leadership. I am not "happy" about any of it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,920 ✭✭✭threeball


    I posted on this about 3 months ago around the time of the Greenland fiasco. I said at the time that we'd be the only fools left holding them when the music stopped because we will do nothing to upset the Yanks. We're not only beholden to them for jobs, but also foreign policy and future wealth.

    Our government's have been totally negligent in leaving us so exposed to one entity. Its like a business starting up and justifying its existence on relying on a single contract with one company and never looking to diversify risk. We did it in 2008 on a national scale and he we are again on the international level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭tarvis


    It could be today decides how this war proceeds - a Trumpian hammering of Irans infrastructure with the resultant hammering of the Gulf States by Iran…two roads to nowhere.

    Since the war began it should be noted that Israel, the supposed local enemy of Iran and instigator of this war, has faced 20% of the assaults while the Gulf States have faced 80 % of missile and drone attacks

    It is obvious that neither side gives a damn about the people in the line of fire - that it’s not the US is fine with the US and Iran has shown little respect for its own people for years now - only the regime matters.

    In the world of bigly this will be Trumps biggest bankruptcy ever - the Middle East and the World economy laid waste by his stupidity and vanity.

    Maybe this catastrophe will make the US realise it is not and was never the greatest nation on earth . It could however be the stupidest nation to date - giving an ignorant, greedy blunderer a second go at power and the keys to its weapons

    Yes Mr Trump and Mr Hegseth - bomb blindly today and you will kill many innocent people and win your bloody war- ,

    for Russia and for China.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Anyone who starts with the premise that trump is 'doing more' and throws his lame insult on anything is either a half wit, a paedo admirer or a grifter admirer, im just guessing the 2nd one.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It was 100% the cost of living issue that won it for him. Now, the logic used by those who voted for him was utterly stupid, but incumbent governments the world over all faced a backlash and all for largely the same reasons.

    People just really, really hate inflation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    It's funny, I was just talking to my brother of the weekend, comparing Trump's descent into madness with that of King George III, and lo and behold, this excellent piece from Fintan O'Toole in the Irish Times:


    This being the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, Americans can recall the king their revolution deposed: the hapless George III. But perhaps they should be shifting their thoughts 12 years forward from 1776 to 1788, when George went mad.


    Fanny Burney, the novelist and lady-in-waiting to the queen, came across him unexpectedly one evening in October. He spoke to her in “a manner so uncommon that a high fever alone could account for it; a rapidity, a hoarseness of voice, a volubility, an earnestness – a vehemence, rather – it startled me inexpressibly.”


    Over the coming weeks poor George got worse. He talked in a rapid and endless stream of consciousness, at one point going on “for nineteen hours with scarce any intermission”. He made obscene proposals to ladies-in-waiting.


    According to the historian Christopher Hibbert, George “gave orders to persons who did not exist; he fancied London was flooded and commanded his yacht to go there immediately; he persuaded himself he could see Hanover through Herschel’s telescope; he composed despatches to foreign courts on imaginary causes; he lavished honours on all who approached him, ‘elevating to the highest dignity . . . any occasional attendant’. He had to be forced to have a bath and, after refusing to be shaved for a fortnight, he allowed the barber to attend to one side of his face but not the other.”


    Before his demented expletive-laden Easter Sunday post, Donald Trump gave a televised address to explain to the nation and the world why he launched and is continuing to prosecute a war on Iran. He said both that “we totally obliterated [Iran’s] nuclear sites” last June and that by February, Iran was “right at the doorstep” not just of possessing a nuclear weapon but of having “a nuclear weapon like nobody’s ever seen before”.


    A nuclear weapon like nobody’s ever seen before is presumably some kind of fantastically destructive new technology. The Imperial Star Destroyer from Star Wars? The Daleks’ weapons “that could crack this planet like an egg”. The Vogon Constructor Fleet that demolishes the Earth in The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy? Or, perhaps more aptly, the Soviet doomsday machine in Dr Strangelove?


    But this is an actual US president explaining an actual war to his own citizens in what is supposed to be a democracy. What he is telling them is that Iran went from having no physical nuclear programme left at all to being on the cusp of deploying an unprecedented nuclear weapon. It did this apparently in something like six months. This would be one of the most astonishing technological achievements in all of human history.


    But Trump wasn’t lying. A lie in this context is something like the claims, in the build-up to the US and British invasion of Iraq in 2003, that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that he could launch at London at 45 minutes’ notice. This was an outrageous deception but it was rational – it was intended to be believed and to prepare citizens for the necessity of war.


    Trump’s claim that Iran was about to create a new kind of nuclear weapon is nothing like that. It is not intended to be believed – if it were, he would have produced some “evidence” and given some hint as to what this weapon was. And of course, he was not preparing the public for war – he was retrofitting a rationale for a war that had been going on for more than a month.


    So this is not lying – it’s prattle. And this is what is so terrifying: the liar has a sense of purpose while the prattler has none. Which is fine if the person who is spouting random gibberish is an unfortunate vagrant on the streets who hasn’t been given his meds. But very much not fine when that person has control of a vast military machine (including a huge nuclear arsenal) and has so successfully surrounded himself with sycophants – “elevating to the highest dignity” passing attendants from Fox News – that there is no one left to stop him using it.


    In the same address, Trump announced that America had “no inflation”; that the new regime he claims to have created in Iran is “less radical and much more reasonable”; that “there would have been no Middle East” if he had not torn up the nuclear deal with Iran during his first term; that his attack on Venezuela is “respected by everyone all over the world” and that the Strait of Hormuz will “open up naturally. It will just open up naturally.”


    All of this is prattle. It is not even wrong, for to rise to the level of wrongness it would have to posit some relationship between words and realities. Trump isn’t making this stuff up – it’s making him up. The disordered words that come out of his mouth are creating his world. The terror is that it’s a world we all have to live (or die) in.


    In 1788, the British court at least recognised they were dealing with a mad king. The endless prattle, the lapses into obscenity, the lavishing of high offices on grossly unqualified people, the increasingly strange manner of speaking, the issuing of unenforceable commands – even in the primitive state of 18th-century psychiatry these were unmistakable signs of derangement. As, of course, were the king’s composing of “despatches to foreign courts on imaginary causes”: a perfect description of Trump’s demands that European states come to his aid in a war whose cause he explains with imaginary weapons.


    If this were a historical pageant, it would be quite touching. How nice of the US to re-enact the agonies of the king they disposed of 250 years ago. But to complete the re-enactment they might also recall that even in the sycophantic atmosphere of a royal court, officials felt compelled to act. Eventually poor George was physically restrained. His “mad doctor” tied him up in a chair that George called his “coronation chair”. How long before the US sees a similar act of dethronement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,796 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    When trump was talking about bombing the bejazuz out of Iran at the weekend, he also mentioned that “the American people wanted the troops home”.

    For me, that was Trump providing his “get out” and “off ramp” excuse. I reckon he’ll blame Europe/Nato for not supporting him and then saying that he’s carrying out the will of the people by heading home, and will leave the rest of the world to sort out Iran.

    I’d actually be shocked if he carried out what he says he’s going to do- that would just be mass murder- I don’t think he’ll do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,589 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    And again, for those in the back, to add to your point, Bibi explicitly scuppered any deal with Biden while he was in power, so as to help Trump get elected.

    Israel only wanted one person/party to be elected. What does that tell you in terms of which candidate would be better for Palestine?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,220 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    I wouldn't disagree that we are exposed to the US.

    But I'm not sure your 'company replying on one contract' analogy is anyway correct.

    Our exports to the (rest of the) EU are greater than that to USA. Exports to the UK are sizeable also. We trade in smaller amounts with the ROTW also.

    Perhaps it would be ideal if we were less exposed to the US than we are. The corollary of that is that we would have spent the last 20 years seeing the wealth accrued by Ireland going to other countries. That would have raised many questions of negligence - why are we ignoring a rich market where we have inherent advantages based on our geographical position, common language, shared cultural history?

    Perhaps I'm oversimplying it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,796 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,589 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I get that it was inflation that was the issue, but to look at the two choices in terms of who might fix it, and chose the demonstrably worse candidate who had bankrupted companies, previously f*cked up the economy and was convicted of fraud, is f*cking stupid.

    In terms of the Palestinian plight, to look at the two choices in terms of who might fix it, and chose the candidate clearly aligned with Israel, is f*cking stupid.

    I don't doubt a large section of the electorate were uneducated racists, and thought Trump would "fix the border". Add to that, you have the "anti-woke" fascist section, and that completes the f*cking stupid pie chart of the Trump voters.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    There's still some sense of civilization in the Russian Print Media.

    Thank God.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,681 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We could easily be looking at Trump being removed from office before his term ends. It's really only the MAGA / Christian Zionist fundamentalist nutjobs (most of whom are unhinged themselves) preventing this from happening at the moment.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I entirely agree it was incredibly stupid. It also required an utterly myopic world view that didn't realise that the US handled post-covid inflation better than any other country, all while increasing real wages, particularly for the lower paid.

    But people are indeed stupid sometimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,589 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Can't help but think that the majority of journalists who are only now writing proper pieces on how dangerous he is, are about 11 years late with their opinions.

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    It should have been shouted from the rooftops from the get-go

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The MAGA/Christian Zionist fundamentalist nutjobs are all his cabinet, who are the only ones who can remove him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,860 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Via impeachment? I can't see it. As Nixon says in the Oliver Stone film, "They can't impeach me for bombing Cambodia, the president can bomb whoever the hell he likes!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,681 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Absolutely, but one would imagine that talk of having him removed on mental health or unfitness to govern grounds will grow and grow this year. He is now so erratic that there are already very serious questions as to whether he is even capable of fulfilling the role of being President. He's not just 'eccentric' now, but positively dangerous to global peace and the global economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,681 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If it can be shown he is no longer of sound mind, anything becomes possible. That tweet on Sunday was the mark of someone who is not well - if a mid ranking government official had sent it, they would probably be fired on the spot.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I imagine he will almost certainly get himself impeached next year once the Dems control the House. But if they didn't manage to convict him after Jan 6th, the increasingly spineless Republicans in the Senate are not going to do it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The scary thing for me is when is Trump going to wake up to the fact that a lot of people are now seeing him as an increasingly unsafe person to have running the affairs of the U.S; what is he going to do?

    Will he start behaving in a ratiomal presidential manner recognizing that most of the world's countries dont trust his style of bargaining or move from ranting at countries and world leaders to an attack with an obscene use of the U.S forces arsenal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,220 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    The possibility of a 10 year presidency for Vance must be tempting for his backers, with the first 2 years starting early next year, and allowing him as per the Constitution to then serve 2 further full terms if elected. Thus I expect the coup to start from within, rather than led by the Democrats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    He did more than Biden for Palestine peace, that was my only point.

    The name calling on your behalf shows your the half wit and quite immature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Would be a remarkable situation where you might have effectively two geriatrics in Biden and Trump, both done in by their own parties. One for general decline, the other the onset of madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    Where were these calls when sleepy joe was clearly in cognitive decline and incapable of stringing coherent sentences together?

    Clear double standards.

    Trump is of clear mind, he's just an ass hole narcissistic who can never admit he's wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,517 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I cannot believe Vance is in Hungary trying to boost Orbans voting.


    Honestly its actually unbelievable what America has become.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,361 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I think he will bomb the crap out of it. He will do that and then claim, again, that the war is won, that Iran is back in the stone ages and that he is ending it as he is happy.

    Everyone else can deal with the Straits, not his problem.

    But he will get to watch all the bombs bombing, all the explosions, all the bridges collapsing, etc. Because it's all just a game to him, and especially Hegseth.

    He will claim he stopped yet another war, and a war he could have easily continued and saved millions of lives and that very soon the oil price will drop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    And now the name calling, good way to debate a point, now you sound like Trump.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,282 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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