Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

Well then, I put it to you, that if both are objectively bonkers....it follows any adherents to either would have to be considered at least somewhat cognitively challenged.

It's sad to see such a powerful and proud nation as the US reduced to gutter type actions. Having watched world politics for almost 60 years, and being supportive of Trump's candidacy in the last election, I never thought I would see them debased like they currently are. And while the country might recover somewhat in the future, the US will never again be 'the shining light on the hill'.

Trump does have a knack for leaving his country in a worse position due to his actions

The **** moron has by his actions managed to accelerate the timetable for..or indeed provide major competitors with more leverage over his country than they would've had if he had just spent his time gazing at his no doubt ample fetid navel

The Chinese now have him by the balls when it comes to rare earth's etc ..so reduce the tariffs you dumb orangutan...

His actions in Iran have now closed a strait that was open before he started his ill informed adventure and handed the Iranians a new sorce of revenue (effectively a toll booth in Hormuz) and leverage over the world's energy

It's also likely they now very much will be acquiring a nuclear device thanks very much so another abject failure

Has turned what were formerly considered assets (military bases) in ME into what may possibly be considered liabilities now by those countries and the US itself and no doubt strained relations with these allies and contributed to further instability

Has increased revenue for Putin...but who knows maybe that's deliberate

And appears to be involved in the shadiest of shady grifting etc etc

The cnut is so far from what I assume were the ideals of the founding fathers at this stage...none of the above mention the damage he is responsible for in the US itself...

I'd say could keep going but it's mind blowing any of this can be said truthfully about a US president and he hasn't been somehow removed from his position

What an utter abject disastrous failure of a human....

The art of the deal......the man couldn't successfully run a snack shop.

How can you give MTG ANY credit?

The attack on Tuesday might not go ahead but it's hard to see how concessions from Iran is the thing that stops it.

It's an indictment of the American two-party system as much as anything. In most normal democracies, you have several parties to choose from. If one party goes mad and massively mishandles public policy during their time in power, they can go to the back of the pack in the next election.

In the American system, if one of the parties goes mad, they're still the only viable alternative to the other, so all they really have to do is wait a few years for the other party to get the blame for everything wrong (including problems the mad party created) and they get back in.

Still, it's been utterly stunning to watch the American voting populous undergo a case of collective amnesia over four short years of just how bad Trump was. I know there are many Americans for whom Trumpism is not a bug but a feature, but all those other who turned out for Biden in 2020 is unforgivable, as is the ones who were talking about giving Trump a chance as if he was some kind of unknown quantity, when he was in fact a very fúcking known quantity. His backers wrote a big table-breaking tome on how they planned to dismantle American democracy during a second term of his, which they then set about enacting point-by-point to the surprise of absolutely no-one paying the slightest bit of attention.

Just fúck off, anyone expressing buyers remorse about the man.

Trump didn’t happen in a vacuum.

He’s a reflection of America’s soul, their character.

If Trump had a heart attack tonight, nothing will change. Individually they’re a lovely people the Yanks, but collectively America is absolutely rotten to its core in many ways, and until that changes MAGA will run the show.

Trump was and is a scumbag, but anyone willing to give him the vote is equally culpable for what he does because they knew damn well what they were voting for.

The American people are at fault for this, for not demanding better from their leaders, and not standing up to them when they fail. They’ve allowed themselves to rot within, and in that rottenness, they vomited out Trump.

The only way America sees the end of this era of MAGA is civil war, international humiliation or total economic collapse to trigger a rethink.

And the worst part is Trump is merely the first of the rottenness to emerge, it’s the competent monsters like Stephen Miler to come after him in absolute power we should really be worried about.

In an USA of MAGA fanatics, we should welcome any intervention from any of them who have, however belatedly, seen the light. As I said, unlike 98% of them, it turned out that she actually believed in something other than whatever the God Emperor said and whatever it took to keep in his good books and keep the money rolling in. In a country where those who turn against him get death threats it took some courage at least. Seeing some of the spittle-flecked fury and rage-often with a characteristically MAGA misogynistic element-that has been turned against her now, makes me feel at least some sympathy for her. The prodigal was forgiven in the end.

Ultimately, you have to deal with the choice in front of you, not the one you'd prefer to have. It's like a binary referendum.

The 2016 result was, to say the least, complex, for reasons which we need not go into now. In 2024, voters who were functioning adults cannot but have been aware of who and what Trump was. Nor were the Biden administration's undoubted failures so egregious that they excused democracy being thrown out with the Democrat bathwater (not that anything would ever excuse that).

Will you fu-ck off. You nuts. Maybe Iran can do that but others of us can not. It would not be a recession it would be a depression.