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Cycling Ireland 2026 road racing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,327 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Win the race and costs covered, simple really.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


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    3. 1/4 tank of fuel
    4. You can top up with the tractor Diesel or lawnmower petrol at the side of the community centre
    5. You get a lift to the nearest bus station
    6. Free air refill for your tyres


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,327 ✭✭✭✭dahat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,327 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Quick question on this, is it still C3 only or are other cat's in the M50 bracket allowed enter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭mamax


    The Cotter Cup this year is a 2 day 3 stage race and is C3 only regardless of age.

    The Crotty Cup is the C1/C2 race and C2's will have a really good time gap to make it interesting.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,327 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Social media game this season from all parties involved on race days has been exceptional, results and action footage readily available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭wav1


    Helicopters and carlton kirby for the ras 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭this.lad


    Now we're talking. Borrow one off Larry Goodman, he's up your way!

    We had good coverage of the Des yesterday. I think it was 3 years ago we had Keith in the car then on the bike last year and this.

    Really tried to ramp up a bit of a buzz before it too but, to be honest, entries are still the very last minute.

    It would break your heart and could break your club!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,327 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    There is also some smaller Instagram accounts doing good things around races with interviews and footage.

    As for the RAS some drone footage of sprint finishes would be super @wav1 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭this.lad


    Absolutely they were there too and adding to it massively.

    He said Helicopter, don't limit the man to a drone!



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Just seen the C1 finish line photo, less than a cm in it after that race is incredible..



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I would be over the moon if the Technical group allowed bike cameras like they do in the US and UK. I think it would be brilliant and would draw in another group of viewers if handled properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,327 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    If handled properly is the key.

    In the current so called claim culture allowing cameras in races exposes all parties to high levels of risk. All that being said i've seen two riders with cameras or camera mounts at races this season.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Even just crit races, so Mondello, Corkagh Park, Nationals would be a good start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,327 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Agreed, could someone in a position of power put this forward as a recommendation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,327 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    The current points system for NS races is going to be an issue going forward especially with C2 to C1 mandatory upgrades at 45 points mid season initially then end of season. The point allocation to 30 riders is excessive when the winner gets 30 then almost on the threshold for upgrades with one good result.

    I was under the impression this to be assessed at in the off season as some concerns were raised about the amount of points for the NS races only?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    We are live: https://eventmaster.ie/event/D0KxSmAcJr

    C2 race 100km starts at 9:30

    C3 race 83km starts at 9:35

    Route is here: https://www.strava.com/routes/3459551126379920306

    Prize list is in progress just awaiting a final sponsor to come back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,327 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Well done to all involved getting a new race in the calendar, looking forward to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    What is the 'legal' problem? I remember cameras being banned about a dozen years ago, CI were just following UCI guidance around managing in-race footage I think. Nowadays, if I'm filming a race while riding with you etc, what's the actual problem?

    I'm asking in a spirit of genuine curiosity-- my experience of sport admin in Ireland tells me that phrases like 'GDPR' and 'legal' get thrown around without much clarity. It might be useful to get the proper line on this, given that in-race footage remains banned, officially at least



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    There is no legal problem from a road use perspective. CI had multiple lines of thought, some official, some unofficial.

    Official:

    1. They ran under UCI guidelines, and there was some feeling that the footage would belong to the UCI or they would have to request permission to allow cameras from the UCI. This isn't really true though, and most races are run under UCI guidelines (nationals and the Ras are under their rules). They could do what the Brits do, the footage belongs to them if you run one and they grant you licence to use it, so long as it doesn't breach or show any breaching of the code of conduct or the law if you publicly produce it. You aslso have to hand a copy to Commissaires if requested. They went the opposite way of declaring a camera, they said a race organiser had to declare if it was not allowed. Has ot be on the bike, not on the rider or helmet.
    2. It is an unnecessary addition to the bike, so just like mudguards it shouldn't be there, might cause a risk if it detached etc. Again, if this was genuine, we wouldn't be allowed bike computers.

    Unofficial and never stated:

    1. Genuine risk some pleb would put up a video that while harmless, could be used in a way thjat shows Cycling as dangerous or illegal. That is fair, some people are stupid. The BC rule covers this well, but CI would have ot make it clear and also possibly hand out sanctions after the fact if someone did put up a video of them riding in a dangerous or illegal manner.

    Personally, aim for Criteriums, CX races, MTB races (which often have them anyway) first, focus on adding Cycling marshals to the Road Traffic Act beside Lollipop people, Farmers and Gardai in the ability to control traffic in a race situation.

    I had my camera taken off me on a Criterium on a closed circuit, it just seemed a bit pointless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    With you on this Morris.

    Boils my blood when "Because…GDPR" is just used as a screen for "I don't want to do that", "I don't know how to handle your question", or "It's too much hassle for us".



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    There are other considerations such as under 18s participating, permission would have to be sought, so that is one genuine reason considering most races have Juniors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    What permission?? Seriously, that sounds like red herring territory.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    If you do the Sports Ireland safeguarding, you'll be well aware that taking pictures of underage kids at events is a big no no without prior consent.

    Is it a genuine reason, who knows but from a child protection standpoint it's not acceptable.

    When your kids join up to most sports club online portals will ask are you okay with them being in photos. For the GAA summer camps the kids get a sticker so photographers know what pictures can't go up.

    Alot of people will say. Ah shure, Juniors are basically adults but in the eyes of the law they are not.

    It wasn't even a thing brought up but it is something that could be brought up and unlike most of the other things, it is genuine and it would be bad practice for CI to ignore it if raised..

    Not hugely an issue in other countries as often they have it as part of their sign up to the organisation or they have the numbers not to mix Juniors with adults.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    That's a fair point, but it's not a GDPR point however.

    I was just remarking that "Because….GDPR" is used WAY too often in this country to get out of doing something, when there's a lack of desire, will, or knowledge, or simply when it's too much hassle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Then underage riders shouldn't be allowed in adult events? Can't have it one way and not the other. Just another observation



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I think people think I am against cameras, I am pro camera, I was just thinking of genuine reasons someone might object and this is the only one I can think of. It's a solvable one with a simple tick box either with membership or at race registration. The UK do this as well as some cases, everyone auto accepts, and then if an event says no it must be pre announced. We could easily do something similar via Eventmaster.

    All races with Juniors should have a safeguarding officer attached, we are not a big enough group where Junior races are viable on their own.

    In no way was I suggesting excluding juniors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    It's important to note the massive difference between a 7 year old and a 17 year old. Putting every under-18 into the same basket and trying to ban/restrict media footage doesn't follow a common-sense interpretation of either child safeguarding or GDPR. The CI restrictions on in-race camera footage predates the current Data Protection Act anyway, so I still maintain that citing GDPR and child safeguarding is in the realm of scaremongering, however well-intentioned it might seem.

    Yes, of course event organisers should follow the prevailing child safeguarding laws, but when you consider that every cycling event that has kids competing in it, usually has a media follow up (photos/video etc), I would wonder what all the worry/fear is? How many prosecutions have there been in the last decade? I've never heard of any, thank god.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    It doesn't matter though, it is not up to anyones feelings on the matter. The law is the law, safeguarding does not have an interpretation, if they are U18, they are a child. Do I agree, as a parent, it is so case specific I understand the blanket rules.

    Again though, I am not saying this forbids cameras, just that changes have to be made to the way we do things, easy to implement, most controlled by Eventmaster at point of entry or CI at point of membership fees. Make it a condition of membership they understand there are event cameras in action and that footage belongs to CI and may be licensed to the photographer for publicity material or at event entry, a caution that cameras are in place and entry means you accept the above.

    The GAA do this by making you tick a box that you are OK with photos of your kid when you pay their annual entry fee, UK Cycling do it by a statement that all races may have cameras and you accept that unless otherwise stated.

    It is an easy fix, yet again, just to state, someone asked how or why cameras would be refused. CI have given loads of reasons in the past (detailed in previous posts) but I was just saying, if someone asked, is there any reason why you wouldn't, this would be it. Also like I said, there are easy work arounds, but until they are implemented, these would be it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Cameras aren't being refused because of GDPR though.



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