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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Had read recently the US have developed something similar to a Shahed drone that they call LUCAS. Don't know if they have built these in large numbers yet. Probably not, as it is very new according to below Wiki page.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-cost_Uncrewed_Combat_Attack_System

    If it's really like the Shahed (mainly used to attack static structures etc.) am not sure if it's useful for one priority here - they want to find and destroy more difficult targets that are quite mobile (Iran's ballistic missile launchers when they spot them, teams of soldiers launching drones off trucks etc.).

    To destroy a building, a bridge, or to blow up bunkers of weapons they already have loads of larger bombs and missiles. They have almost [see events today] complete freedom to fire these from Iran's skies and nearby seas. They may be more expensive than drones like the Shahed but they are better and more powerful, and cost doesn't matter (much) to the US. The amount of money they are burning up on this bullshit of Trump and co., and I wonder, does anyone over there particularly care? Not enough to halt (or even slow) his gallop to war anyway….

    I think the small "FPV" type drones used in Ukraine, are fairly short range weapons, at most 10s of km, used by soldiers (on the ground). The US does have weapons like that (I think) but we won't see those in use unless perhaps they send troops into Iran (hopefully Trump will not do this - cross fingers).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    I'd be willing to put money on them not anally raping the pilot with an iron bar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,861 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    They won't have enough to form a human pyramid either.

    On a serious note, I feel Iran know they have most countries on their side staying away, in so far as most western countries are keeping their noses clean and being reserved with their comments (for the most part, there's still so much hypocrisy). But as soon as an American Pilot is paraded in front of a camera and/or being mistreated that would all change.

    Iran seem to know how to play the hand they were dealt well and international optics play a significant role. It may be the reason they allowed western journalists into the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭no.8


    I disagree with one point. It's possible to be on neither side. I for one shall not forget that government's involvement in the ongoing invasion of the Ukraine.

    I agree with the core of your message though. The optics are key here. How a POW is treated will resonate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    And they would do it again (illegally).

    Who are Democrats going to run? Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) is the only hope America has, but young, Hispanic and a woman.

    AOC has pledged to block US military aid to Israel including for defensive systems; and she opposes military intervention in Iran...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    The world is in turmoil. No new alliances will form.

    Edit: scratch will 'settle'

    Post edited by StarryPlough01 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Arseboxing


    If the Democrats run another stooge for Israel like Newsom or Shapiro or Harris again in 2028 and at the moment that looks likely they'll lose even in the event (unlikely) the election is free and fair.

    Tucker Carlson is clearly warming up on the Republican side to run on a platform of repudating the Trump cabal in the same way Trump humiliated the Republican establishment in 2016, most especially by bringing Israel to heel and if he does, he'll steal vast swathes of the pool of voters who would normally be seen as the Democratic base while losing basically none of Trump's vote and he'll win in a landslide.

    The Democratic establishment are the worst people at politics on earth and they'll be caught completely flat footed by this like that Swedish defender was by the Cruyff turn.

    Carlson is in my view being paid by Russia (even if he's not it doesn't matter as he's a total stooge for Russia) and a genuine anti-semite but his stance on Israel will be the game changer.

    The Democrats, because they're controlled by the useless, bankrupt of ideas cabal of Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffries etc., will shoot themselves in the foot by demonising any candidate who agrees with what the majority of their base actually thinks and lead the party to yet more humiliation and leave the way clear for a proper "competent" fascist demagogue who will ramp up real anti-semitism to dangerous levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,519 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Arseboxing is an AI bot folks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Is that right now? Do AI bots name themselves after Tommy Lyons interviews from 2002?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,700 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    For all his many faults, Carlson would be an improvement on Trump. He hates Israel and shouts it from the rooftops - also thinks the Christian Zionist brigade around Trump are totally unhinged. Has a lot of unpleasant conservative views for sure, but would still be an improvement on the orange one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Arseboxing


    I would strongly disagree that Carlson would be an improvement on Trump, I think he'd be worse if anything because the Groyper segment of the Republican party would be properly let loose and he'd make Europe a proper enemy and attempt to properly ally with Russia. He'd be focussed in a way Trump is not and he has energy and staying power. I also think he'd end up being drawn into being a neo-con in the same way Trump was. That's before I even mention his fantasy of turning America into Gilead and his history of horrific racism. I find the idea of Carlson being president utterly terrifying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,700 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Is he an enemy of Europe though? He seems way more knowledgeable about European politics than Trump (knows a fair bit about the Middle East too). His relationship with Putin is very problematic but is scarcely any different to Trump on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,927 ✭✭✭threeball


    Anyone who didn't vote is as bad as any Trump supporter Apathy is not an excuse when the outcome was this apparent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,927 ✭✭✭threeball


    A right good pray might be better suited. Hegseth can give a eulogy about his holiest of wars and pray his God wants his side to win more than the Iranians God want them to.

    Anything to br said for another Mass



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭redshift-rider


    Attack drones like the Shahed-136 are basically a poor man's cruise missile. USA are wealthy and already have thousands of real cruise missiles, which they have been using against Iran.

    They have recently begun dabbling with "cheap" two-stroke attack drones, they are testing a clone Shahed. Probably sent a few against Iran. But it's not in production so they wouldn't have them in number.

    The hovering drones used in Ukraine have extreme low range and flight time. Mostly single-digit km. There's a few that push beyond 10km. They work in Ukraine because there's a front-line with targets 1km away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Another attack near the Bushehr nuclear facility killing one person. Desperation quickly setting in. IAEA has been notified and we await the calls of condemnation for attacking a NPT signatories nuclear sites for the 7th time

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What a joke of an organization honestly, if you do not condemn those responsible you are setting a precedent that it is acceptable.

    "IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi expressed deep concern over the incident, stating that nuclear power plant sites or nearby areas must never be attacked, and warning that auxiliary site buildings may contain vital safety equipment. Grossi reiterated his call for maximum military restraint to avoid the risk of a nuclear accident, stressing again the paramount importance of adhering to the 7 pillars for ensuring nuclear safety and security during a conflict."

    Todays vote at the UN has been postponed again.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Sure he's gone to Russia and Hungary and broadcast from there in the most fawning, sycophantic of manners. He's literally said the US should be on Russia's side.

    If that's not an enemy of Europe then I'm an AI bot, as somebody accused me of being last night!

    There's an emerging divide within MAGA between two genocidal Nazi factions - the pro-Israel genocidal Nazi faction who would like to exterminate all Muslims, and the more traditional genocidal Nazi faction who would like to exterminate all Jews and then move on to Muslims after they're done with Jews.

    The tradtional Jew hating Nazis see Israel's Nazi style carry on as an avenue to them becoming "respectable" under fake cloak of being "anti-war". But they're not anti-war. They're anti-Jew.

    That's the faction Carlson would massively empower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    All the more surprising that they would send their proxies to burn ambulances in London.
    How is that investigation going?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Carlson’s son is working for Vance so I thought rather than running himself he might put his weight behind Vance. Rubio is a complete Israel puppet and at the moment it seems Vance and Rubio are the front runners if Trump doesn’t remain in office.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Trump can't remain in office after this term!

    Unless he has a revolution, but who knows?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Trump is doing his level best to hole the petrodollar system well below the waterline. Apparently, the Iranians accept crypto and yuan at their tollbooth, the exact price depending on friendliness to the mullahs. Any links to the Satans, little or large, are disqualifying. That the Trump family pushes crypto is an irony Americans should pay attention to.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,700 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Vance has been very quiet on the war and clearly opposes it. He must be secretly freaking out, as the war is not good for the Republicans and the MAGA movement in any shape or form, especially with the midterms coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,875 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    He's tied to it now though come what may. If he was really opposed he should've resigned as veep



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It’s a ridiculous take given the very many anti war Jewish voices but very revealing non the less.

    You are saying if you are anti war you must be anti Jewish.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭amacca


    Maybe he's attempting to play both sides in the event it is actually possible Trump tries to shut down elections and screw the two terms become the full on dick-tator he really is.........could be looking at civil war yet....need time to try pick a winning side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Correct. This war impacts his chances of him becoming president in 2028. Iran not giving Trump an off ramp.

    Meanwhile the long suffering people of Iran will suffer even more as their economy, infrastructure, water/food production and and supply chains are impacted significantly. Not that the decadent USA/Israel ever cared.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭briany


    He was never becoming president in 2028, anyway. He's a follower, not a leader. There's an absolute bang of amoral, robotic career climber off of him. He's only popular to MAGA because he's learned the talking points and is happy to repeat them, but he possesses absolutely no cult of personality like his master does. Trump may be a blowhard and ignorant of many things, but he knows full well that Vance would stick the knife in, first chance. He won't hand the reins to Vance.

    This is assuming Trump will leave office, even. Last time he had to do that, he instigated an attack upon the US Capitol in order to prevent it. It's like trusting a junkie with your jewellery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭midlander12


    The difference between him and Trump is that he's a true believer as opposed to an opportunistic grifter and as such, he would be even more dangerous. His stance on Israel is most likely motivated by outright antisemitism than anything else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,941 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Alot of critics of Israel are accused of being anti semitic , it's just par for the course nowadays. I doubt Tucker would win independent voters so would not be a good candidate for the Republicans.



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