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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,210 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    And you get to meet your "lawyer" for the first time 10 minutes before your "trial"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,806 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    That new law is very dodgy indeed.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Hopefully it may not happen. I think it does have to pass a judicial review.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Yeah, it will be appealed to the Israeli Supreme Court. The current Israeli government is definitely not "in" with the Israeli courts, so it's likely that if the court can find any reason to block the new proposed laws, then they will. That's a big "if" of course, since the main job of every government is to make laws. Time will tell.

    Time might be the other helpful thing here, if everything goes right… It might get delayed enough so that the law isn't enacted before the next election, which isn't that far away. And if a new coalition can take power, they could (and hopefully will) bin the entire thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Yes - it has been put to the Supreme Court.

    But whilst I hope reason would prevail, i won't hold my breath.

    Remember, this is a State who chose not to prosecute IDF soldiers who ally raped aa prisoner and were caught on CCTV doing so.

    Justice in Israel is a very fickle concept. Some people are more equal than others…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Yes - it has been put to the Supreme Court.

    But whilst I hope reason would prevail, i won't hold my breath.

    Remember, this is a State who chose not to prosecute IDF soldiers who ally raped aa prisoner and were caught on CCTV doing so.

    Justice in Israel is a very fickle concept. Some people are more equal than others…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    "Israel’s Supreme Court has recently clarified, this time explicitly, that interrogational torture is lawful in certain circumstances in Israel’s legal system."

    https://www.omct.org/en/resources/blog/its-now-even-more-official-torture-is-legal-in-israel

    And this is inside Israel. Palestinians in the Occupied Territories don't even have the protections of the Geneva convention.

    Long but worth a read -

    "The U.N. Security Council has confirmed the applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including Jerusalem, in 25 resolutions. Many of those resolutions call upon Israel, the occupying Power, to comply with the provisions of the Convention and to accept its de jure applicability. The General Assembly, along with other bodies of the U.N., has adopted scores of resolutions affirming the same position, as well as calling for an end to the occupation and repeatedly affirming the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the need for the realization of those rights.

    Israel, however, refuses to accept the de jure applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including Jerusalem and has committed serious violations of every relative provision of the Convention. At the start of the occupation, Israel, the occupying Power, immediately began imposing countless repressive measures, such as administrative detention, deportation, home demolitions and other forms of collective punishment, against the Palestinian civilian population in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, inflicting enormous suffering and harm on them.

    The occupying Power has also attempted to change the status of the occupied territory or parts of it and to change the demographic composition of the territory through the illegal confiscation of land and the transfer of Israeli civilians. The occupying Power has repeatedly attempted to justify many of these measures by citing its security considerations or military needs. For years, the Israeli Government claimed that the illegal Jewish settlements were built to serve security needs and considerations. In reality, however, the occupying Power has been driven by an expansionist vision or ideology and, using its enormous military capabilities and a complex system of economic, legal and administrative policies and practices, has fervently pursued the implementation of this vision. Another fundamental aim of the occupying Power has been to prevent the realization of Palestinian national rights. The result of these measures has in fact been a gradual change in the situation in the Palestinian territory to that of one under active colonization."

    https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-199015/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Just when you think that that country can't sink any lower, they go and prove you wrong yet again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    At this stage, I really would genuinely not be surprised if things go awry in Lebanon, they'll just nuke it.

    The whole country seems to be in berserker mode. Utterly astonishing that absolutely no-one with the power is taking any substantive action.

    But I do believe most of the world's public is sick to death of hearing of Israeli atrocities and blatant apartheid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,228 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    There's been a bit of controversy at the National Concert Hall about a fundraising event for Magen David Adom (MDA), the Israeli ambulance charity. The event is to be hosted by Alan Shatter, a favourite of this forum. The dispute seems to have been over whether the event will be political, and the conclusion is that it's not.

    In its pure form, fascism is the sum total of all irrational reactions of the average human character.

    ― Wilhelm Reich



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I'm wide awake so i can't yawn, if I could I would.

    "they'll just nuke it".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Would the same conclusion be reached if the event was a fundraiser for a charity in Russia? Also Alan is the subject of discussion because of what he defends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    US Christians including Republicans starting to call an end to support for zionism.

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/from-bethlehem-to-florida-israels-treatment-of-christians-enters-us-political-debate/

    Over the past decades, the Christian population in historic Palestine has declined sharply—even in Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus. According to Reuters, “in the last year of British rule over the region in 1947, some 85% of Bethlehem’s population were Christian. As of a 2017 census, the overall population of Bethlehem was 215,514 with only 23,000 Christians among them. That puts the percentage of Christians in Bethlehem in 2017 at around 10%.

    In recent years, attacks against Christian institutions and individuals have also intensified.

    Documented incidents include illegal Israeli Jewish settlers spitting on clergy in Jerusalem—acts captured on video and widely reported. Churches and cemeteries have been vandalized, including attacks on the Protestant Mount Zion Cemetery. Christian properties have been targeted in disputes over land ownership, particularly in Jerusalem’s Old City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    ICC are going to bury the genocide committed by Israel. All seven EU countries on the ICC bureau voted to forget the genocide. Would they have done the same if the US had obliterated Greenland?

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/icc-governing-bureau-to-pursue-case-against-karim-khan-despite-judges-ruling

    A majority of members on the governing body of the International Criminal Court (ICC) on Wednesday backed a motion stating that Chief Prosecutor Karim Khan may have committed some form of misconduct, diplomatic sources with knowledge of the matter told Middle East Eye.

    The preliminary vote by the 21-member executive bureau of the Assembly of States Parties (ASP) comes less than a month after a panel of judges appointed by the same body concluded that a UN investigation had not established any "misconduct or breach of duty" by Khan. 

    The 15 states that backed the motion are Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Cyprus, Ecuador, Finland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, New Zealand, Poland, Slovenia, South Korea and Switzerland.

    The four that voted in favour of the judges' panel report are Senegal, South Africa, Kenya and Sierra Leone. Uganda and Bosnia and Herzegovina abstained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Another arrest by ICE of an immigrant with legal status who criticised US support for Israel. Calling him a 'foreign policy threat' whatever that means. Echoes of McCarthyism and Nixon banning people who criticised him from the US.

    Wisconsin mosque president detained by ICE over alleged Israel remarks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,210 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I have no words

    Israel is warning Christian and Druze residents in Lebanon not to hide Muslim residents among them as their forces invade.

    It's like they have forgotten their own history

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    They haven't forgotten about it, they've clearly decided to replicate it. I'm hoping our International Law experts will be here soon to advise us that this isn't ethnic cleansing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    A lot of protests in Tel Aviv and other cities and mainly against the Iran war and Netanyahu. People are fed up of having to spend time in smelly bunkers now too. Considerable damage done in many cities too from Iranian bombs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3EpCEc01oI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Also, the amount of flak Israel is taking on social media since the war started is off the scale. Even many Americans and Trump supporters openly saying "I used to support them but now realise they are pure evil. I was wrong about them". The penny seems to have dropped throughout the West. Gaza was a start of sorts, but the unprovoked attacks on Iran and Lebanon (with no October 7th that can be blamed) and pulling the US into the same war has been the tipping point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    "As you sow, so shall you reap"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Easter is uplifting for Christians. The resurrection - victory of life over death.

    "From a distance I just cannot comprehend
    What all this fighting is for
    From a distance there is harmony
    And it echoes through the land
    And it's the hope of hopes, it's the love of loves
    It's the heart of Everyman"

    My favourite rendition of “From a Distance” is by Tommy Fleming (tenor)

    “Tommy Fleming recorded live at the Knock Basilica Ireland as part of the Voice Of Hope concert in 2004”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭StarryPlough01




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So, what's the objective of the war with Lebanon?

    Illegal land grabbing seems to be the only objective.

    Haaretz*:
    The Israeli military on Saturday backed a senior IDF official who said the army cannot disarm Hezbollah because doing so would require occupying all of Lebanon, adding that only the Lebanese government could disarm the group. Military officials stressed that while disarming the group is not an objective of the current war, it remains a long-term goal requiring diplomatic efforts. 

    Officials added that the officer was not reprimanded and that his remarks were considered accurate. 

    Earlier in the war, however, IDF chief Eyal Zamir said that the IDF is committed to the long-term goal of disarming Hezbollah.

    *Subscribe for free to Haaretz & they'll email daily headlines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    It's not a war, it's expansionism by a colonial regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Canada scrutinising Jewish charities that are being used to support zionism.

    https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/how-canada-leads-the-way-in-closing-down-zionist-charities

    Canada appears to be a leader because the CRA has systematically audited evidence, published revocations in the Canada Gazette, secured court confirmation of its decisions, and enforced explicit prohibitions on foreign military support, delivering at least eight successful outcomes where other jurisdictions have seen campaigns stall at the complaint stage or face regulatory inertia.

    Those wishing to enact comparable decisions should first compile verifiable evidence of non-compliance, including financial transfers, project documentation, and links to prohibited activities such as foreign military aid or inadequate record-keeping. Submit formal, detailed complaints to the relevant authority — for instance, via the IRS Tax Exempt Organization Complaint Process in the United States or the Charity Commission reporting form in the United Kingdom — while supporting them with parliamentary petitions and public reports. Monitor successor entities, collaborate across groups, and maintain focus on legal rather than political arguments. As the Canadian experience demonstrates, sustained, evidence-based pressure on independent regulators can lead to enforcement of existing tax rules and the removal of charitable status where breaches are clearly established.



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