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Anyone else aware of money 'going missing' in Irish hospitals?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's really important that someone who has had a crime committed against them reports the incident to AGS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    The HSE is not perfect by any means, but my husband, who has been in two hospitals recently, has received nothing but kindness, respect, and good care. He had to spend a significant birthday in hospital, and a nurse organised a small cake and a candle for him. The man giving out the dinners remembered the dinner he liked.

    I have a strong dislike of anyone who only sees the negative and never sees the good in anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,589 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Don't. Phenomena is plural so would indeed indicate a trend.

    Anyway story is BS and reminds me of nan (Catherine Tate) when she accused the nurse of stealing all her money, but when pressed admitted that the nurse put it all back cos nan was on to her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭Magilla Gorilla


    This happens. My wife used to work in the offices of a fairly large public hospital and they had to regularly take in money that patients brought with in with them. Usually older persons and in some cases very large amounts. They issued receipts for the money and put it in the office safe, it was then lodged in the bank as soon as possible. Policy was not to keep cash on the premises

    The fun began when the patient was being discharged and was told a cheque would be sent to them in due course. They were not happy and many rows ensued. The other scenario was when a relative would demand the cash which of course would not be given to them.
    To add, it was usually persons who lived alone, so they wouldn’t leave their cash at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    This is a made up story or incomplete .

    Over all the years I worked in hospitals here ,all patients' valuables that were not taken home and signed for by relatives , were stored in hospital safe in a special sealed envelope/ container , with all details including medical record number and what was within recorded on storage envelope/ container and on a record used for the purpose , countersigned by staff placing it there . This would have been countersigned by two members of staff, the patient at the bedside , recorded in patient notes and signed again when returned to patient , and signed for by patient on discharge . This has been policy in any health board / voluntary hospital and HSE as long as I can remember .

    This ensures safety and accountability for both patients and staff . Protects against 'claims ' like these .

    I don't know where your relative was , but I think they weren't in a public hospital in Ireland .

    Personal safes may be available in private rooms in some hospitals but it's not common and usually private hospitals .

    Who gives money to an unknown staff member to care for , without signing anything official ?

    I think we are being led on here as per this comment …

    "Let others be warned, don’t trust the hospital unless you have no other choice."

    @BrianD3 Can you tone down the anger please and less of this emotive nonsense ?

    Garda vetting is done on all staff . If staff are commencing work without it it's because there aren't enough AGS allocated to the job, especially the seasonal intake of junior doctors which is every July . Nor do they prioritize it over any other vetting , which means that hospitals have the choice of closing, or continuing with some staff that may still be waiting for vetting to come through for a while after they start . I think that link stated roughly 10% out of the total number .

    So you think they should close wards or A&E instead ? Bearing in mind that vetting is repeated for some staff every new post.

    Also the link you posted is very much out of date and was during COVID Tue, 31 Aug, 2021 .

    Was it hard to find a recent link ? ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    Only drug dealers and pimps walk around with 'several hundred' in cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I don't know about cash going to a bank but maybe if it was a very large sum ? I would not have been dealing with older people in my time .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You're kidding 😊

    A few hundred is walking around money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭Magilla Gorilla


    Yes, here in Ireland. A few older persons brought in their life savings! Everything was recorded in a patient property register, but no cash was ever handed back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Its a fugazzi or fugezzi, where it goes nobody know. I suspect a loads of political payoffs/Old boys networks and general abuse/wastage



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Ye my nanny had clothes going missing on her in hospital and it continued when she went into a nursing home as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,019 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    That is very common.

    People don't like it when someone says that not everyone who works in healthcare is an angel - but it's true. Sure, some are angels, but some aren't too. Most are in-between.

    Hospitals are also very open places, and "visitors" can include a range of shady characters.

    (It's barbaric when you think about it: We live in homes, with locking doors and windows, so randomers cannot wander it. Until we get sick and need a lot of care from health professionals. To get that care, we have to stay in an open ward, unlocked doors, very little access control, sharing a room with multiple strangers, who are also sick.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭Dazler97




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    There was an aul' lad I met on the orthopaedic ward in St Vincent's who was very distressed at the amount of time his broken leg was taking to heal.

    He kept saying he needed to get back on the street cos his bitches were running wild. No idea what he meant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    That's true in some ways but not in other ways,. I couldn't believe it the first time I saw drug addicts and other begging in the ED of St James's. Hospitals attract moochers who hang around to see if there is an opertunity to get something.

    Of course medical staff are not angles why would they be it's a very strange old fashioned idea, but everyone should expect and get competent kind and respectful care.

    Post edited by littlefeet on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭deeperlearning


    Is your relative trustworthy?

    It's very odd that a staff member in the hospital took on the responsibility to mind the money when a relative was there present. Did your relative not ask for a receipt?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Something strange about the post alright.

    The nastiness and cynicism of some posters and, 2 particular posters is bothering me, most especially after the kindness and care my husband revived and the same for thousands of other patients. The posters get a pass if maybe they have issues that aren't apparent.

    The HSE is not perfect but guess what nothing is perfect, schools colleges, councils public services of all kinds and expecting perfection is ludicrous, they all could do better but that's about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,759 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Is it possible the person who allegedly took the money wasn't an employee but just pretending to be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,019 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    You had a great experience. We're happy for you.

    But not everyone does. Telling only happy-days stories does not help people prepare for the reality of being in hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I agree in part Mrs .

    I have had personal experience of 'visitors ' robbing personal possessions of a loved one in a nursing home .

    Also clothes being put in the general wash after doubling that never came back even when labelled.

    But this thread is a different issue .

    The OP is accusing a qualified professional of stealing .

    The guards need to be involved .

    If I was one of the staff members on that ward I would be on the phone to AGS about it straight away .That person is impuning the reputation of all the staff on that ward and I would not be allowing that to go on .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Notice how the OP isn't defending the accusation anymore. Telling.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes . Recognise that pattern from past experiences .

    Just turning into a ignorant pile on on hospital staff . Always start these sort of threads on the Friday of a Bank Holiday weekend ,you notice .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 sinagh


    Yes, have unfortunately heard of numerous instances down through the years. Its real rotten behaviour but not surprising I suppose when u think off all the people that have access and opportunity in hospitals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Why are people bringing money in to hospital in the first place? it's an odd one. I took my husbands wallet home and gave him a small bit of money if he wanted a coffee or something. It's common sense there are all sorts wandering around hospitals.

    Patients should be told they can not bring money in to hospital except for small change to get a tea or coffee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The reality is explained fully in that preadmission leaflet to a public hospital posted earlier.

    Staff cannot and will not be responsible for people's personal possessions and people need to either not bring them in or send them home with relatives .

    You would want to be a complete eejit to bring and keep valuables it anything you were precious about in a public space where you may not always be alert to possible thieves . And as per the OP to trust a relative's money or valuables to be cared for without following general accepted practice of going to the ward manager to ensure they were either locked away , or taking them to safe keeping yourself is just stupid.

    Everyone knows how busy staff are caring for patients in hospital and with the best will in the world it's not possible to be everywhere at once watching people's personal possessions .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    your positive experience is great, but it does not mean others did not have a negative experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    A lot of older patients may be suffering from dementia etc. and between that and the stress of the illness that brought them to the hospital they might not be making very rational decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Of course not, but it's strange that some people seem to only have negative experiences.

    I had interactions with a hospital where I thought who is running this place it was to do with the administration. The actual treatment was very good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    That is true, but it's not the hospital's responsibility to protect the patient's money; it's an impossible ask for a hospital. It's an open environment; a family member, friend, or someone they know should take the money home before admission.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Agreed, the hospital can only do their best when a situation presents itself.

    Often old timers are very close with anything to do with finances and friends/family have no idea that they have large sums of cash.



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