Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Ukraine needs all the allies it can get, particularly if (heaven forbid) the Trump/Vance regime lasts beyond 2028. The Gulf states have plenty of funds at their disposal. The only help the Ukrainians can provide them is drone and anti-drone and anti-missile technology, in which they are for obvious reasons a world leader, and it also happens to be precisely what they need right now. To supply such technology against a regime that has supplied the bulk of the drones aimed at Ukraine is both perfectly logical and perfectly appropriate.

Ukraine on the whole has an ally in myself. 😊Even if I dont agree with its positions sometimes.

The gulf states are tiny and have no armies virtually that is why they had US bases.

Iran has not supplied the bulk of drones russia used the term Iranian drones refers to the DESIGN… which IS iranian .. but they were manufactured IN RUSSIA and china. Not Iran. Its a thing I have to keep correcting people on.

Yes its Iranian designs. But they even found UK components in them at one point.

And no I dont support the Ayatollah and I am sure Iran has helped Russia in certain ways which is wrong.

But the idea that Ukraine is an expert on these drones. Nope. Because if they were israel would be also by now.

I stress this again. CHINA is supplying 80% of all drones to Russia. WITH CHINESE PARTS MOSTLY but IRANIAN DESIGN

You may read here.

https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/bloomberg-china-supplies-russia-with-most-of-the-components-needed-for-combat-drones/

Dont worry I know the term iranian drone is confusing that refers to the design. But its a very very old design now in iran.

I would imagine this is why Trump feels free to attack ukraine and why putin has not made an attempt to help Iran. Which answers a question I asked earlier. Why would Trump if on putin's side attack a russian ally?

I guess iran not supplying russia with arms clears that up.

https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/bloomberg-china-supplies-russia-with-most-of-the-components-needed-for-combat-drones/

80% of Russian drones come from China.

All the iranian manufactored drones probably largely were sold before the russian invasion in bulk. By that metric the UK virtually funded the Russian war they literally built up the russian warchest and knew they were doing it too.

Iranian design means nothing. There is part usa design and israeli design in russian stuff its not hard to take things apart and figure them out. That doesnt excuse past iranian arms sales to Putin PARTIC since putin was all over syria. It was very wrong.

It doesnt excuse Iranian actions in the past selling to Putin was always immoral. But the USA and the UK sells arms to saudi which is also immoral.

But this action doesnt help ukraine really imo. It will backfire.

And I dont believe its moral since the results it will have will be minimal for UKRAINE.

Fair enough.

QED

The gulf states are not neutral. What on earth are you talking about? They have been engaged in a proxy war in Sudan and Yemen infact Ukraine sent soldiers to sudan to fight wagner there. And one of the sudanese war lords has allowed a russian base. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/06/ukrainian-special-forces-sudan-russian-mercenaries-wagner

Sadly the other side tho.. has committed some of the worst ever genocides in sudan.

Russia is aligned with the RSF. Iran supports the RSF.

The SAF is the opposite force. The Saudis and pretty much ALL the gulf states actively support the SAF even with troops at times. They are brutal.

They are both brutal.

There are no neutral gulf states they all have american bases. Whomever is on the side of being right is debatable but they are not neutral.

BOTH saudi and Iran have caused a famine in Yemen and massacres in dafur.

However its the Gulf states that have participated the subsaharan slave trade and its obvious when you look at the slave work force in those gulf states part the domestic labour.

And israel is up to its NECK in that. Israeli weapons have been found all over sudan.

Really? You don't care about Sudan? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/06/ukrainian-special-forces-sudan-russian-mercenaries-wagner

Iran supports the RSF so does Russia and wagner. (so they say.)

Ukraine /Saudi Support the SAF. (so they say) Israeli weaponry has been found all over there too.

Both are brutal. But the gulf states have taken a lot of slave labour from Sudan.

This further involvement of ukraine with the gulf states is worrying.

Yes British weapons israeli weapons have been found in sudan but not troops.

Surely people can't be naive as to what is happening.

The only crisis people say was worse than gaza was sudan. I don't think ukraine should be involved in that. They have aligned with the SAF who are just as brutal as the RSF.

Maybe Im just a russian troll maybe the guardian is lying about ukrainian soldiers in ukraine maybe its totally moral for ukraine to pick a side in the sudanese civil war because one side is supported by its enemy.

All I know is both sides have committed massacres that make gaza look like nothing.

This further involvement with the gulf states .. maybe doesnt look the same if you know this.

But maybe Im wrong.

But the weird thing is RUSSIA has recently begun to support BOTH sides and take resources from mines on BOTH sides so why is Ukraine ONLY helping one side which is also an ally to russia now?

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/sudan-rsf-saf-uae-intervention/

I condemn all. But who started the war? And why is ukraine in sudan fighting only one side when both the RSF and the SAF are allied with russia?

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/sudan-rsf-saf-uae-intervention/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/06/ukrainian-special-forces-sudan-russian-mercenaries-wagner

There have been questionable events in sudan.

Which war?

Ukraine war was started by Putin

Iran war was started by Trump with all them gulf and European states trying to distance themselves from this war and still getting attacked

I noticed you still haven’t been able to prove your hysterical statement that because Ukraine is helping Gulf states defend themselves they are now on same “side” as Israel

Edit: deleted - not a rabbit hole worth going down here

I just posted two entire articles explaining they are BOTH supporting the SAF in sudan. Or don't you care? They are literally fighting side by side at times in sudan against the RSF.

Obviously not now I would say Israel is well out of there by this time.

Also now germany has said its going to stop sending missiles and fighter jets to Ukraine.

This literally a picture of Zelenksy meeting Burhan who is a warlord and a war criminal.

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/details-of-the-defense-intelligence-of-ukraine-operation-in-sudan-have-been-reported/

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn8x5nkj8pyo

The USA has sanctioned Burhan over war crimes. I dont know if trump got rid of them

WHY IS ZELENSKY MEETING WITH HIM? I am not making this up. Read the above article sanctione by the US for war crimes. Below Zelensky meeting the same burhan.

The US by the way has accused both sides of war crimes and sanctions are on both. But why is Zelensky meeting with a sanctioned war criminal?

Don't people think that is odd?

Personally I think the west needs to be stricter with Ukraine on things like this. That is my opinion. Why on earth is zelensky meeting with and sending troops to help a santioned war criminal?

Unless people say this didn't happen and im lying or i have been fooled by russian propaganda etc.

I personally think the west needs to be clear to ukraine that they need to not meet with Sanctioned war criminals etc .. and stay out of places like sudan ..

Perhaps im just .. fooled by propaganda tho

What makes it all even STRANGER is that despite Russia (Wagner) supporting militia trying to overthrow al-Burhan, Sudan abstained from condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine but then Russia is also supporting Burhan so… But it really makes zelensky's decision here really hard to understand.

Russia is supporting both sides. Burhan is a war criminal but so is dagalo the leader of the RSF. Neither condemned russia.

Why choose one side? Both are sanctioned. Al Burhan came to power as a warlord overthrowing the govt. The RSF is doing the same with another warlord dagalo .. they both seem to be the mirror image of each other.

By the way it was a technical lay over in shannon so they say. He should not have been in shannon anyway. But that place is practically cursed at this stage.

Now here is where it gets REALLY strange.

Al-Burhan was pinned down at SAF headquarters in Khartoum until August 2023, when a military operation enabled him to evacuate to Port Sudan, where he has been based since then. The Sudanese military allegedly received support from Ukraine. Ukraine has also allegedly sent troops to fight in Omdurman.

Ukraine allegedly EVACUATED a war criminal that is sanctioned now by the USA. That to me is very odd.

Now of course Im open to being corrected and perhaps i have fallen prey to russian propaganda but the above video is interesting.

Suddenly sees several new pages. Assumes something new must of happened 🙄

Ukrainians killing murdering Russian mercenaries and rapists in Africa where they killing so many people is now a bad thing?

No its not.

Not even close.

But shure, throw your shite around in the hope it sticks….