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Calving 2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    No minimum age it seems;

    Test
    The test for freemartinism is based on detecting male DNA in the blood of a heifer. The male
    genetic material remains within the heifer so that
    there is no age limit as to when the test can
    be run.

    https://www.vetpath.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/FREEMARTINISM-1.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Part-time farmer here and just curious on the following scenario and what approach others take or would take:

    Cow calves just before you have to head to work, do you delay going to work until you see he gets a suck, do you bottle/stomach tube him or once he's alive and healthy take a chance that he will work away himself to get a suck ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Restrain the cow, get the calf to suck. If it fails, milk the cow and stomach tube. You may be penalised on the clock-in, but you've a healthy calf with colostrum in its belly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    I never leave the yard till i know the calf has sucked. As my calves are nearly all LM, its very rare to have a dopey one so they are usually trying to get up and suck once they hit the ground. They might need a small bit of help getting the teats at the start.

    I try to avoid stomach tubing as much as possible and only when its really needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 suckler2025


    Id always try see a calf suck before I'd head to work. Just for the piece of mind. A bucket of meal in front of the cow is your friend at least Shel stand for the calf while your there. Breeding quiet cows is the key to it. Noting more stressful than a mad nervous cow that is even a struggle to get into a calving headgate and then she kicking the shite out of you and the calf and you have to head on to work. A calving camera can be a great aid also you can watch the calf from a distance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Back in the day if I'd calved before work and it looked healthy I'd probly leave it till I came home 9 hours later. Sometimes maybe got home at dinnertime but more often not.

    Nowadays all you here is beeselence is needed in the first hour or 2, so if I was on a deadline to work I'd nearly try have beeselence thawing while I'd be calveing and it be stomach tubed and I'd be out the gap. I'm about home more now so don't have as much of a rush to day job.

    All depends on job flexibility,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    I use the instant colostrum. Circa €20 a head but if I’ve to go to work or bed, I’ll tube the calf literally straight away. Often jacked a cow and would tube the calf before I let the cow out of the headgate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    At the very least I'd put 2L of powdered colostrum into the calf via a teat bottle.

    If they suck at it well I can be fairly sure it'll work out well, at least until I get back. If the calf doesn't suck well and there is no way I can stay to sort the calf out I'll tube the calf to keep it going until I get back.

    I'd also do this if it was a late night calving.

    However, giving the cows pre-calving minerals helps the alertness and vigour in the calf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Omallep2


    Id second this. Im a big advocate of multimin to cows pre calving. Also giving it to calves post birth this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭alan10


    Stomach tube (I don't even try them w/ teat or cow unless they really chomping at the bit), 2-3L and if big calf 3-4L. Vet told me you don't have to worry then for 24 hours. Great peace of mind. I leave them with the cow then and keep watch on camera. Seldom have to do anything after that to get them going.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭alan10


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    Tail up about 9pm last night, handled at 1am this morning and 2 big front feet - tried small pull but no budge. Vet on scene about 1:45am and out the sun roof.

    Mam is a second calver Ivor (LM2014) and bull calf Ivantonov (LM5887). I think hes the easiest LM bull on Dovea list!

    Nothing easy on this one, 2 weeks overdue also. Vet saying cow fat, too good silage and bit too fancy/muscle. Safer w/ planer cow. Suggested to send down the road, disappointing as she young, super quiet and loads milk. Any thoughts? Go Angus bull or Saler? I think Ivantonov is 0.5% calving difficulty

    Stomach tubed 4L @ 3am, calf was up sucking then again around midday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭Sami23


    I'd keep her but restrict silage or feed hay during the winter.

    I fed hay until about a month before calving this year and calves are nice n small and they calving away themselves so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭limo_100


    could be just a freak. Sometimes a cow and bull just click. Is the calf big? I’d prob keep her but throw a saler on her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    @alan10 i used Ivantonov last year and again this year. Could get a small calf off one and got a good size bull last year as well but they always calved themselves. He’s after going up to 2% now and stars dropped I think in latest evaluation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    I used straws of his on smaller cows than that. Never held to him though.

    I was planning to use him this year as he was the recommended easy calving option. Might reevaluate that thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,043 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Does the cow have a genomic evaluation? Would be interesting to see her Direct Calving Difficulty figure. Some cows just always have big calves. Just in their breeding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 suckler2025


    Lovely looking outfit.

    Is there any possibility a different straw went into her? I've used Invantov on heifers who all calfed themselves with very small calfs at birth. That cow looks like a keeper id chance her again. You could try LM8929 (Slive felim Sterling) if your worried about the calving. Used him on 2 year old heifers and easily calfed and very vigorous at birth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭Barron lad


    You just never know what way a cow and bull are going to click. My last cow calved last night to Avicii de mahony who is 22% for calving difficulty. she held to 300 days and had a big bull calf but calved herself in a few minutes. I've had four calves off that bull and all calved themselves. One of the cows who had a calf by him last year had a Negrita du lac bull calf this year who is 13% and we had a savage pull to get him out. You just never know what way they will click unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭alan10


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    Yep have genomic data for both the cow and her mother

    Top line is the cows Mother (QCD Sire), bottom line is the cow herself that had the section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭alan10


    Thanks for the input

    Yep he's very big, feet curled on him, Id say he was tight for room inside :-)
    Will be checking the geno sample to make sure it was the right bull. Never saw Ivantonov this big.

    Yep used Sterling last year also LM8929, very lively - but thought that was from the cow as she went stone mad when calved. She's for the hook after this calving in few weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭dowlerswozere


    Calving went well this year 17 calved 1 set of twins. 3 Heifers calved to angus bulls all needed assistance

    anybody recommend an easy calving angus for heifers from progressive. I used Gabriel Pat and Red Lamborghini nothing small about them.

    Heres a selection of AI Bred calves all from Progressive

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    Shannon Stan bull of a Fiston Dam 3 weeks old

    IMG_2393.jpeg IMG_2389.jpeg

    Stan Heifer off a Limx Dam

    IMG_2387.jpeg

    Heifer out of CH7587 should make a great cow

    IMG_2382.jpeg IMG_2383.jpeg

    The pick of the bunch Novateur (BB8941) Bull out of a Curaheen Earp Dam



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭hopeso


    Is there a need to register a calf that died before registration? I lost a calf about 2 days old. I tagged him, and sent him off to the knackery. I was registering a few calves last night, and tried registering that calf too, but it wouldn't go through. Just said 'this is a dead calf'. The only option I see to register a dead calf is to say he was stillborn, which wasn't the case. Should I register him as stillborn, or not bother at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    he sure is rhr pick of them. Fantastic animal. 👏👏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko


    Put a Saler bull like Knottown Roy on your heifers, breeds lovely cattle, especially heifers and very easy calved. If you start putting Saler bulls on your heifers you won’t go back to using Angus bulls on them. PG have a new polled Saler bull called Only PP also, should be ideal for heifers also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko


    I’d register him as stillborn if it’s the only way to register him, did you send the BVD sample off??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,976 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Hear some lads don't tag stillborn calves and knackery takes then. How does that work out bookwork wise? If milking you'd need a calving date?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭visatorro


    My lad won't take them without a tag anyway. Not this good few years. You dont need a registered calving date if your not milk recording?

    I never used to bvd a dead calf, just tag it and not send sample. Never passed much heed for years. Got a letter recently looking for a sample of one. Emailed dept, was told dont mind that one if its dead but have to sample everything from now on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    if there’s no registered calf at milk recording here the calving date is taken as 6 weeks before recording.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Lost a calf this evening, noticed the cow sick around 4 handled her at 6.30 and all I had was a nose coming.

    Got calf straightened no bother and out but her clearing came out instantly aswell. Wonder was calf dead awhile



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭BeGrand2025


    You can usually tell by how cloudy the eyes are wether the calf died during labour or it’s death started the labour. A hard labour can kill a calf.


    Lost my first calf in years recently. Had an emergency off farm and by the time I got back to assist the heifer her calf was dead, an hour earlier and it would have been fine. It’s hard to explain to people that calving season is a 24/7 job and things can go very wrong sometimes.



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