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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Equally there have been attacks, initially attributed to Russia, that, upon investigation turned out to be Ukrainian. Just as there have been attacks, initially attributed to Israel, that turned out to be Hamas.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Oh please! The US have attacked more “neutral” countries than Iran ever has.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    China is not better. As I have stated on multiple occasions it is a totalitarian tyranny. The specific problem with Trump’s America is that it has in the space of just one year threatened the sovereignty of multiple countries around the world, ie a foreign policy problem. That is no way to assemble a coalition to contain China.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    or a 3rd party. Isreal are sneaky c88ts


    haven’t the US copied the Iran drone ?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You just agreed that they are the more responsible superpower. That the US is falling to their level does not suddenly make them better.

    We are all worse off that the US has become a malevolent state. It doesn't make China or Russia or Iran or anyone else suddenly better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    There you again, team blue has committed X atrocities hence it’s ok for team green to commit Y atrocities

    take more than a few minutes to think why this might be an infantile position to take on this subject, especially when living in an undefended country whose very prosperity depends on other countries and people following concepts like rule of law and treaties which Irans neoAxis wants to tear down

    we now resorting to conspiracy theories in face of widespread reporting to defend Iranian regime? The hole just keeps dug getting deeper



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    Contain china?

    Aside from a logistics base in dijbuti how many military bases do china operate outside the prc?

    And no, Chinese restaurants are not covert police stations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    You’d swear Iran launched the initial attack 3 weeks ago with the language western countries are by and large using. That last paragraph is disingenuous as it doesn’t include Israel and USA as well for what they’re doing.

    UK ministers confirm US to use British bases to degrade Iranian missile sites

    British ministers have met to discuss Iran's targeting of unarmed commercial shipping, civilian infrastructure and its blocking of the Strait of Hormuz, Downing Street says.

    They confirmed the US would use UK bases in the "collective self-defence" of the region, including "defensive operations" degrading missile sites used to attack ships in the Strait of Hormuz.

    "They agreed that Iran's reckless strikes, including on Red Ensign vessels and those of our close allies and Gulf partners, risked pushing the region further into crisis and worsening the economic impact being felt in the UK and around the world."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    Murder a nations head of state while peace negotiations are in progress and then blame them for retaliation.

    Absolute scumbag behaviour.

    I reckon the UK just wants to provoke a domestic outrage so they can move deeper into shredding individual rights.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    China LOOKS LIKE the more responsible superpower, appears for the moment from the outside to be the more predictable actor because its leader and his minions aren’t making alarming remarks about other countries every day of the week. I have no illusions whatsoever about Xi’s ambitions - to maintain power in China for the next century the CCP will probably conclude it has to control the world - but Trump is plunging a knife into any effort to contain a CCP-run China which is the main geopolitical challenge for the West. America will need a lot of friends and allies in this enterprise which now looks to be in serious trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The whole 'defensive' line from Labour is delusional stuff. They brought the UK into this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    None of that would permit attacking a country under international law - it would have been the direct equivalent of Britain bombing towns and cities in the Republic during the Troubles because it believed the IRA were operating here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    That's a pretty terrible comparison.

    The Government of Ireland weren't funding the IRA, nor did they support them, endorse them, celebrate their actions or at any point refer to the destruction of the UK as a goal.

    The complete polar opposite to the situation with Iran and Hezbollah and Hamas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I hope the right whingers all around Europe are ready to take in some of the millions of refugees that are being displaced in Lebanon and Iran.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,283 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    as said already a really poor comparison. Iran and Hamas/gazans/palestinians actively engaging to destroy Israel isn’t remotely close to our elected governments in the south and their connection to the IRA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    The fact you believe the US has only become a bad actor shows how naive you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Your post is deliberately misleading. It suggests all Gazans/Palestinians are in Hamas. Do you think all Gazans (the ones not murdered or maimed) are "actively engaging to destroy Israel"? Many of them are just trying to survive. Normal people like you and me. 20,000 orphans too.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    🙄

    I am fully aware of the US' bad actions during the Cold War. I am fully aware of their actions in the Second Gulf War.

    I am also aware that as the world's hegemonic power they were broadly benevolent from the 80s til now (the Iraq invasion aside). I do not think the other world wannabe superpowers can claim the same and I am fairly sure that a world in which China is the hegemonic power would not be anywhere near as pleasant.

    The current US is, quite clearly, significantly worse than those administrations in the past. Those who claim they have always been like this are the naive and silly ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    “I hope the right whingers all around Europe are ready to take in some of the millions of refugees that are being displayed in Lebanon and Iran”

    I hope the left whingers all around Europe are ready to take in some of the millions of refugees that will be created in Oman, UAE, Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Iraq, Turkey, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Pakistan {have I missed any other neighbour that Iran attacked?} as their economies and infrastructure from ports to refineries to desalination to various industries and housing are destroyed

    /S


    Two weeks into the war and there are some praying for refugees to be created to cause problems in Europe, how very Putin like thinking eh? Using human tragedy and suffering as a weapon to punish us decadent “westerners” who clearly don’t want to be dragged into this war but yet deserve being attacked for some bizarre reasons



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,283 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I don’t think it’s at all misleading. Gazans/Palestinians want Israel wiped out. All of them? No. But plenty plenty do. Remember who voted Hamas into power. Yes, 20 years ago. But it was people in Gaza who butchered hundreds of Israelis October 7; Remember 9/11? Who was out dancing on the streets celebrating that massacre?

    Simple: it’s ludicrous to suggest what Stradaz did ,as regards comparing Irish democratically elected governments in the south and their relationship/connection to the IRA, to the Iranians and their collusion with terror organizations who want to massacre Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    1. Why was Gaza described as an open air prison occupied by Israel after 2005?
    2. What % of Gazans are actively etc etc?
    3. Do you think Israel have committed a genocide in Gaza?
    4. Do you think that genocide will increase hatred/terrorism or reduce it?
    5. Link to the Gazans celebrating 9/11? Isolated incidents or widespread?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,283 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ICJ will determine a finding as regards a genocide.

    Experts on the International Court of Justice (ICJ) said a judgment on whether Israel is committing genocide in Gaza is unlikely before the end of 2027 at the earliest, amid warnings that the international community should not use the court’s glacial proceedings as an excuse to put off action to stop the killing.

    I do not think they committed a genocide, albeit some terrible destruction occurred. I’m hardly alone thinking this.

    Of course there are many who disagree and have been constantly pushing the genocide narrative.

    Anyway, you’re going off point as usual. My post was in reply to stradaz.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    can you link me to your comments on the terrorist bombing of a university and 2 hotels in the supposedly safe zone in Lebanon by the zio scum?

    I know you hate to see civilian infrastructure targeted so would be interested in your views!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    "Some Terrible destruction Occurred"? Jaysus. You don't sound bothered.

    People actually died or were maimed. Many many people. Bombed, shot, starved, dehydration, lack of aid and medical facilities, froze etc. They are still killing innocent and restricting aid.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    In a couple of years time?

    Even Israelis are saying this today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Govt could fold next week if the budget isn't passed. Elections will follow.

    I was under the impression is isn't a war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,283 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I don’t sound bothered? What am I meant to say?

    Terrible destruction did occur.. fairly obvious. And many dead people. That’s awful. But that’s people, that’s war, that’s life (the bad part of life).

    Worst era of this conflict no doubt, but Arab Muslims and Israeli Jewish people have been at this madness decades now.

    Again, back to my original point! Terrible comparison to Ireland/IRA vs Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah.. do you agree?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Sounds like something Trump would say, Many dead people, that's war, that's life. Way to downplay a tragedy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭combat14


    trump .. we want to talk to iran....

    "Now nobody wants to be a leader over there anymore. We are wanting to talk to them but we have nobody to talk to.

    We like it that way."

    whats the US game plan.....



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