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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Better be quick then, we only have 20 days of the mourning period left.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    And yet the Americans won't move warships into the straits.

    I don't know how good a US destroyer would be against swarms of drones coming against it by sea and air. We've already seen how Ukraine has managed to decimate Russian naval forces using drones. And Arleigh Burkes were designed to fight opposing navies in a time before drone swarms. Drone Swarms are a really recent development. We're at a weird stage where a new form of warfare is developed and only a small part of a fleet might have been retrofitted to deal with the new threat.

    And lets face it, drones are getting through and hitting land targets in multiple countries at the moment. That's including israel with it's Iron Dome.

    Iran could launch a hundred drones at a ship and the thing is only one or two drones need to get through to cripple a ship. And that's incredibly bad PR for a US navy that projects itself as unbeatable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    I had a quick Google there and at first glance there is the Guardian, the Independent, Sky News, BBC News.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,601 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It was reported on the BBC at the same time as I posted. I had been looking there. Caught up now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The orange buffoon is still posting on social media that the war is won yet others won't open the straits….

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Calling your friends cowards is a great way to get them to help you. Especially after you threatened to invade one of them earlier.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    There are bases in seven star hotels in Dubai? Lies like this gives ammo to likes of Israel to attack Lebanon etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭brickster69


    He has come up with an off ramp hasn't he. I have done 95% of the job, now it is up to you lads to take the reigns and finish the job. Then he will be off causing havoc in China or something.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,707 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    The Yanks thought there was a naval base in an Iranian primary school. Works both ways.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    So instead of condemning both some chose to cheer for their deplorable side spreading and dragging everyone around them into their little war

    while watching the world order which protected defenceless little neutral countries being dismantled one missile at a time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Sky news defence analyst stating US can’t reopen the strait of Hormuz without help. He thinks trump is looking for an off ramp and will leave the strait of Hormuz to others after he declares victory. Only winners out of this are Israel and Russia.

    https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-trump-tehran-israel-strikes-us-drone-live-sky-news-13509565?postid=11367472#liveblog-body



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,707 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    No one's cheering Iran, I'm like you paying €2.20 a litr for this sh1t. But let's not forget who started this, it was the US and Israel , no one else.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,661 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    The answer to these questions is always "why would they even bother?".

    Do you really think the Gulf states, all basket cases politically and with small armies, will try and destroy Iran when the combined US and Israeli forces can't even do that and so far haven't been stupid enough to put boots on the ground.

    They are looking at the disaster of what is happening and wanting absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm pretty sure they would rather go back to having no rockets and drone lobbed at them and the way they did that before was the let sleeping dogs lie. They are seeing now what happens when the hornets nest is kicked and so far Iran is only going after US and Israeli military and economic interests. It would be way worse if they were the aggressors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    One consequence of this war is the Cypriots are calling for the brits to leave Cyprus after recent events.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cyprus-uk-air-bases-iran-war-raf-akrotiri-b2941686.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    They made it abundantly clear none of these wanted anything to do with US … and still got attacked by Iran

    When their economies are destroyed it’s no longer a question of wants but needs

    And the weird fantasy Team Aytollah harbours of somehow that need manifesting itself as attack on Israel and not Iran is just that, a bizarre fantasy that ignores human grudges in a part of the world where they know all about grudges



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭thomil


    It will certainly help. The biggest threat to shipping isn't so much Iran's arsenal of conventional missiles, but attacks by fast boats of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). In a series of posts a week ago, I outlined how the naval arm of the IRGC basically specialises in naval "guerrilla warfare", using speedboats and other small craft to attack shipping, lay mines, etc.. Back then, I mentioned that I could see the 31st MEU, the self-contained US Marines task force that had just been sent to the gulf from Okinawa, might be used to go after some of the IRGC's operating bases around the Strait of Hormuz. My post from a week ago goes into some of the details as to why the 31st in particular might be a good choice for such an operation.

    Now, the IRGC's naval arm has a "lot" of assets, we're talking about between 3000 and 5000 boats in total. Some of these are large-ish, comparable to corvettes or small offshore patrol vessels, but the vast majority of these boats are small speedboats with a displacement of less than ten tons, maybe 10-15 meters long and manned by a handful of crew members. These boats are fast, upwards of 50 knots or around 80-90 km/h, but they are short ranged and more importantly, they are fragile, and not really suited for operations in the open ocean. That basically restricts their operations to the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, more precisely the western part of the Strait, since that is sheltered from the oceanic swells that affect the eastern part, which is open to the Arabian Sea. And it means that these boats can't stray too far from their bases due to fuel constraints.

    Screenshot 2026-03-20 at 13.08.38.png

    Above is a Google Maps screenshot of the western part of the Strait of Hormuz, with the UAE visible in the bottom right, and the Iranian mainland and the island of Qeshm at the top. There's a loose grouping of six islands in this area that form a "gauntlet" that shipping in the Gulf have to pass through in order to transit the Strait. I've marked them in yellow.

    These islands are Sirri or Siri, Abumusa, which also lends its name to this group of islands, Greater & Lesser Tunb, and Farur. Interestingly, Abumusa and the Tunb islands are disputed between Iran and the UAE, a dispute that dates back to the time of the Shah, long before the Islamic revolution in Iran.

    Sirri Island

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    Sirri Island is probably the most crucial island in the group, since it is the site of a sizeable oil terminal but otherwise unpopulated, with the only civilian infrastructure being related to worker's accommodation for people working in the oil terminal. The oil tanks of the terminal are clearly visible in the Google Maps screenshot above, as are the islands two harbours on the south.

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    The image above clearly shows the tanker pier with the piping and loading manifolds, as well as the presence of several offshore service vessels and tugboats in the protected parts of the harbour. However, it's the south harbour that is most interesting in my eyes.

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    It may look like an ordinary fishing harbour at first glance, of the type that are legion all along the Iranian coast, but if you look more closely, you'll notice that things don't quite add up. The boats tied up at the pier along the eastern breakwater all have long and pointed hulls, optimised for speed, not manoeuvrability or ruggedness, which you'd expect from a fishing boat. To me at least, these boats look like the type of speedboat used by the IRGC.

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    This is further reinforced when we look at a zoomed out image. These types of regularly spaced buildings aren't found in the fishing villages in the region, which are often centuries old and have grown organically. This regular structure, the presence of boat trailers parked in neat rows and the lack of any fishing boats dragged onto the shore just make it more clear that this is an IRGC base.

    Abu Musa Island

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    As mentioned before, Abu Musa gives its name to the entire island group. It is located fifty kilometres east of Sirri Island and unlike its neighbour, it actually has a civilian population, around 2100 people according to Wikipedia. The island is disputed by the UAE and Iran, and have been occupied by Iran following a landing of Iranian forces in 1971. The conflict is unresolved to this day.

    The island isn't exactly big, the 2900 meter runway of the airport spans almost the entire width of the island. Much of the island's civilian housing and infrastructure is located to the north of the airport runway, whilst the civilian harbour is located on the westernmost edge of Abu Musa. The East harbour is not civilian however.

    Screenshot 2026-03-20 at 13.52.23.png

    The east harbour is extremely sparse at first glance, but actually sports a surprising amount of infrastructure. There's a dedicated pier for larger vessels on the outer breakwater, a large pier housing numerous small boats on the southern breakwater, a boat lift, what looks like a headquarters building and a large blue-roofed shed that I believe to be a maintenance building. What's more, it is located in close proximity to a segregated apron and taxiway of Abu Musa Airport, one that hosts a number of covered aircraft stands that are typically associated with military or paramilitary operations.

    Screenshot 2026-03-20 at 13.53.13.png

    If we look at the boat pier more closely, we can see that once again, the boats tied up here are optimised for speed, rather than utility. Moreover, the three vessels at the pier head look distinctly military. The tow narrower boats resemble, at least to my untrained eye, IRGC missile boats of the Peykaap class, whilst the larger boat at the very top looks like a more conventional patrol boat. Either way, the east harbour is definitely an IRGC base.

    Greater & Lesser Tunb

    I'm grouping these two islands together for brevity, this is going to be another long post anyway. These two islands sit about 48 kilometres northeast of Abu Musa, the body of water between them being the only stretch of water deep enough for supertankers on their way to transit the Strait of Hormuz. Greater Tunb has a small civilian population of around 300 people according to Wikipedia, but Lesser Tunb is completely uninhabited. Both islands are subject to a territorial dispute with the UAE.

    Screenshot 2026-03-20 at 14.08.39.png

    Starting with greater Tunb, there's a familiar pattern emerging. Much of the civilian infrastructure of the island is located to one side of the island's airport, including a small fishing harbour on the island's south coast. Once again, the eastern harbour appears to be an IRGC base.

    Screenshot 2026-03-20 at 14.09.21.png

    Whilst this harbour seems to lack the large boat lift seen at the Abu Musa base, the rest of the infrastructure is strikingly similar, with a pier for heavier vessels on the eastern breakwater, a slipway to get smaller boats into and out of the water, and a larger pier housing speedboats on the southern breakwater. This picture does show a dhow or similar civilian vessel tied up near what I presume to be the slipway, but this is a) not up to date imagery of course and b) the IRGC does fulfil coast guard like roles as well.

    Screenshot 2026-03-20 at 14.08.26.png

    Lesser Tunb continues this general pattern, although the island does not appear to have any civilian population. The island sports a small airfield and a large harbour on its eastern tip, although this is much more sparse than the ones present on the other islands in the group.

    Farur Island

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    I've had a hard time finding any information about Farur or Faror Island. It sits about 75 kilometres to the west of Greater Tunb and twenty kilometres north of Sirri, and currently has no civilian population, although it did have one in the past. Unlike the other islands in the group, it does not have an airfield and the harbour on its eastern coast is also rudimentary, although it does appear to have a large maintenance/workshop building.

    Screenshot 2026-03-20 at 14.28.32.png

    Interestingly, Faror Island is listed as the home base for the IRGC's Sepah Naval Special Forces unit. This unit has been involved in a number of high profile ship seizures, including the Portuguese-flagged container ship MSC Aries, but has also been deployed to the Gulf of Aden on anti piracy operations, ironically operating alongside the US Navy.

    It's also worth noting that these islands are all located relatively close to the IRGC Navy's Fifth District HQ at Bandar Lengeh on the Iranian mainland, which houses significant maintenance, repair and storage facilities. While I presume that this HQ was hit hard by the US during their strikes against Iran, the sparse infrastructure on the island bases makes them hard to take out with just airborne assets.

    These five islands, especially Abu Musa and the Tunbs, form a gauntlet that is nigh-on perfect for choking off civilian traffic trying to leave the Gulf. They all host IRGC bases, most of them have airfields, but none of them have a civilian population large enough to pose a serious risk to any military operation. Whilst I continue to believe that these islands are not going to see much more than amphibious raids, especially given the 31st MEU's specialisation in fast boat operations that I mentioned in my earlier post, an amphibious landing on those islands would be much more doable than trying to take Kharg or Kish island.

    It's also worth pointing out that whilst there are other IRGC bases further along the Strait, such as Shib Deraz on Qeshm island, or at Sarkhur Tahruyi on the eastern end of the Strait, the density of bases is nowhere near as high as in the Abu Musa group.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    But Irans response to attack Gulf states makes both strategic and ethical sense.

    Attacking civilian targets in non-belligerent states is a million miles away from being ethical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    The ports in dubai are facilitating US aircraft carriers launching attacks on civilian infrastructure in Iran.

    There are no lies here, only the blind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    In the theatre of war its legitimate retaliation to civilian targets being hit in your country from those countries.

    But War is murder. So maybe ethical was a poor choice of word.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    Chuck Norris has died so hard to see how they'd get boots on the ground now.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,661 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Not sure it's a weird grudge when they are being attacked by Israel and their dog America. Not such a weird grudge when all of the worries they have have come to pass.

    And again regarding being attacked by other Gulf states, you are ignoring again their ability to actually wage a meaningful war against Iran. Therefore why would they bother. They aren't stupid like the Americans and Israelis. When it all blows over they will set up diplomatic relations with Iran like adults and try, through diplomacy, not to start hurling weapons at each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Was he not more a specialist in those getting left behind?

    They will get boots on the ground alright, they just won't be able to rescue any of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Maybe they might say, it is in our best interests to be friends with Iran rather than the unreliable and unpredictable US and the out of control Israel. Does anyone in their right mind believe that those fragile Gulf countries are going to engage in war against Iran. I certainly don't.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It is quite clearly against the Laws of Armed Combat regardless but even moreso given those countries had nothing whatsoever to do with targets being hit in Iran.

    The least we can do is not hold Iran to some lower standard. Their actions (including closing the straits) are every bit as much against international law as anything the US/Israel are doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Back anybody into a corner and they will come out fighting. I don't blame Iran for blocking the straits.

    Ironically in this instance the blame for the absolute sh1t show that this has become lies in a room with no corners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    The attacks on Iran are coming from those countries.

    Its mental gymnastics on a rediculous level to claim Iran returning fire is against the rules.

    Although thats what Trump seems to think thinks so youve company with that thought process...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Plenty of blame to go around. Clearly plenty lies with the buffoon in the White House and the genocidal maniac in Israel.

    I blame Iran for quite a lot of things though. Not least continuing to execute innocent protesters while they should have more important things on their mind. But bombing civilian infrastructure in completely uninvolved neighbouring states is damnable as well. "I don't blame them for resorting to terrorism" is not something I thought we would see expressed so openly these days.

    The reflexive attitude of supporting anyone opposed to Israel/US is unhealthy. You can just denounce all bad actors.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The USS Gerald Ford is being sent to Crete after a fire aboard the ship.



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