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18/6/12 too early??

  • 19-02-2018 12:45PM
    #1
    Cattlepen
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    Is it too early to throw out 18/6/12 on very bare grazing ground?


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  • #2
    simx
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    Cattlepen wrote: »
    Is it too early to throw out 18/6/12 on very bare grazing ground?

    Drop in temps towards end of the week I'd prob hold off for the moment


  • #3
    Say my name
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    It's not too early. Time of year has nothing to do with it.
    Now soil temperature is a different animal.
    Any fertilizer will work when soil temperature gets above 6c. Providing the ground is not water logged.

    Now going on yesterday's soil temperature it was 8c in cork Kerry to 4c in Cavan. But air temperature is roughly 11 c today with 13 c in parts. So add on a degrees to the soil temperature for today.
    But we are heading into a cool down for how long who knows but the positive is that it looks to be drier so any fert shouldn't be washed away and we may still end up with a mild southerly wind flow.

    Now to the 18.6.12. Is that the best fertilizer that your land needs?
    I just got soil sample results myself here today and they're coming back high in K (potash) and low in P (phosphorus) and low in S (sulphur) so for me 18.6.12 wouldn't be suitable. It's the wrong way around with the P and K and I'd need a bit of S. Now I know what micronutrients I'm deficient in or dont need too from soil sampling.
    So that's a long winded way of saying I shouldn't be shooting blanks in the dark now by relying on the traditional 18.6.12, 27.2.5. 5.


  • #4
    Mooooo
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    Temps around 6 degrees here but if ground is dry enough to travel id go with it


  • #5
    Birdnuts
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    Cattlepen wrote: »
    Is it too early to throw out 18/6/12 on very bare grazing ground?

    I'd hold off for now - mean't to be a Siberian Blast on the way for next week which will hit ground temps hard. Could be alot of snow for some too!!


  • #6
    jimmy G M
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    Birdnuts wrote: »
    I'd hold off for now - mean't to be a Siberian Blast on the way for next week which will hit ground temps hard. Could be alot of snow for some too!!

    Yeah, I was going to go out with Urea in the next day or so, but with forecast, I'm going to hold off a few more days to see if the "Beast from the East" is going to show up.


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  • #7
    Green farmer
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    +1 and going to take the risk of getting some fert out tomorrow.


  • #8
    Say my name
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    jimmy G M wrote: »
    Yeah, I was going to go out with Urea in the next day or so, but with forecast, I'm going to hold off a few more days to see if the "Beast from the East" is going to show up.

    Just looking at some charts.
    Yea maybe prudence is the best option.

    This "beast from the east" is only lasting from Monday to Wednesday on some charts but it's the frost at night that looks to be the real killer.
    On one chart the GEM it's giving minus 14c for Wednesday morning next week.
    Minus 14...

    Just have to keep an eye on the forecasts I suppose. :rolleyes:

    Edit : apologies Greenfarmer and cattlepen. I'd say keep it in the bag for now.

    But graze every last bit of it in the next few days before the frost takes it. :p :rolleyes:


  • #9
    Green farmer
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    accuweather says -1 or -2 over a few nights. You wouldn’t know what to believe .


  • #10
    jimmy G M
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    Green farmer wrote: »
    accuweather says -1 or -2 over a few nights. You wouldn’t know what to believe .[/QUOTE


    I wouldn't rate accuweather a lot of good. MT Cranium on boards weather forum is excellent. I've been following him for years and he is spot on. Based in British Colombia of all places

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106189599#post106189599

    There's an interesting thread on the weather forum as well, but some of these guys posting are mad for snow to happen

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057843266

    If half of what they are hoping for happens.... we may forget about grazing grass for a few more weeks.


  • #11
    Say my name
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    Green farmer wrote: »
    accuweather says -1 or -2 over a few nights. You wouldn’t know what to believe .

    Don't be fooled by the name. Accuweather wouldn't be that accurate.

    If you had some urea out before this you could say there was a bit of antifreeze in the grass before this weather comes. But now it's hard to know if there's any point or not.

    Most models now seem to be showing potential for a snow event for a few days next week. It's sunday night through till Wednesday looks likely to be guaranteed for cold and some models drag it out for a few days longer.
    They'd drive you mad looking at them when you've decisions to make.

    https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/
    https://www.netweather.tv/
    For the week ahead.
    https://www.windy.com/?53.347,-6.244,5
    https://youtu.be/8NujD8Z6dGk

    Edit: Jimmy makes some good points about the weather forum. BUT just bare in mind (as much as I love em) they are weather enthusiasts and very often the most extreme charts will be posted instead of the average or the sum of all the models and it can set you wrong altogether about what's going to happen.
    It's the reason why I'd encourage anyone to look at the web resources for themselves to get a balanced view.


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  • #12
    DJ98
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    Just updating this, given the take up in weather this week could you spread 18 6 12 in the the coming days



  • #13
    Grueller
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124325685#Comment_124325685

    Jesus christ DJ. You frightened the shyness out of me with the resurrection of the term the beast from the east, then I saw that this was an 8 Yr old thread.



  • #14
    Say my name
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124325710#Comment_124325710

    Some eejits on this thread 8 years ago. You'd barely recognise them.



  • #15
    Say my name
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124325685#Comment_124325685

    Yes. Depending on fert allowances.

    Soil temperature is 10 degrees.



  • #16
    Reggie.
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124325710#Comment_124325710

    Same. Didn't know what was going on



  • #17
    Silverdream
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gpwlkklyxo

    This will be a good help on reducing the price of fertilizer



  • #18
    morphy87
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    Are many planning on spreading the next few days?



  • #19
    Jb1989
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    Of course. Anyone that can, will be heading out in case the weather breaks for a long period.



  • #20
    Bass Reeves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124329031#Comment_124329031

    Another reason is in case it comes very dry in three weeks it may not be worth ypur while tp sread

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #21
    Conversations 3
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124329031#Comment_124329031

    What's the story if cattle haven't been out and there's heavy covers?

    I won't be spreading for a week or two yet and hopefully that'll be the silage ground once it gets a quick graze.



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  • #22
    Jb1989
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    You could still fertilise heavy covers tomorrow and graze the next day for a week as it'll take a week to get into the system.

    My point is don't wait till a wet spell comes and you can't travel the land. Depends on next weeks forecast as I haven't studied it yet.



  • #23
    limo_100
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124330753#Comment_124330753

    is it too late to graze meadows now? I plan on cutting mid may but due to things out of my control I won’t be able to spread for about 10days.
    Also I wonder is it worth letting everything grow an extra week or two this year considering fert may be scarse for a second cut.



  • #24
    Conversations 3
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124331220#Comment_124331220

    I let the cattle out to graze the silage ground and hopefully I'll get slurry on the end of next week.

    Hopefully it'll kick start the growth and I'll get it cut before the end of May.

    F uck it, I'll see how I go, I'll learn something anyway.



  • #25
    Jb1989
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124331220#Comment_124331220

    Graze it now, that winter grass is better on the animals back. Great thrive compared to in a round bale.



  • #26
    Bass Reeves
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124332766#Comment_124332766

    Lownin Protein and high in DM great to put flesh on cattle

    Slava Ukrainii



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