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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    If someone in the IDF deliberately targets a civilian for no military reason, i.e. just for s***s and giggles, then I have no interest in defending them. Same for the other stories in this or another thread about the prisoners being mistreated. There's no justification for that.

    If one or two of them kill people "for **** and giggles", it the actions of individuals (who face no consequences anyway), and individual explanations could be brought in. But when it's done en masse (with no consequences), and as part of clear and deliberate military strategies (with no consequences) it's a structural explanation that's needed (i.e. not "**** and giggles") on what is considered normal and acceptable within the IDF and Israeli society that allow for murder and mass murder to occur (without consequence), e.g. the total dehumanisation of the people they are inflicting this on.

    As always, just because someone agrees with what they are doing, it does not make it right. Any sane person looking at the situation can see this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    France believes the US-Israeli war on Iran is unjustified and unlawful, the French ambassador to Oman has told Middle East Eye in an exclusive interview. 

    Nabil Hajlaoui was speaking during an episode of The David Hearst Podcast published on Tuesday.

    This military operation is outside of international law and we cannot endorse it in any way,” Hajlaoui said.

    “We don't see any justification, any Security Council resolution, or any situation where it is required to move that quickly to this military operation.”

    The ambassador said that US-Israeli attacks, launched on 28 February, came at a critical moment when Oman-led talks between Washington and Tehran showed signs of progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Netanyahu needs to be jailed immediately



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Those were not objectives relative to the military operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    How can foreign government interference in American elections be legal?

    https://inthesetimes.com/article/illinois-primary-biss-aipac-abughazaleh

    After a Torrent of Dark Money, AIPAC and Corporate Interests Flop in Illinois Elections

    The pro-Israel lobby spent millions to intervene in the Democratic primaries, but in the two most high-profile races AIPAC came up short.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    They have such a free pass from 'western democracies' that they will still do a Gaza on Lebanon and Iran. Maybe those reporters will remember how the terrorist state of Israel (with USA backing) treats reporters and journalists in Gaza but I will not hold my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    If he can be put 'together again' given the chance that he is brown bread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭combat14


    trump apparently wants israel to rein in the attacks on iranian energy infrastructure .. is too little too late or the beginning of the end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    As with Putin, Trump hates getting tough with Netanyahu even as he drags him ever deeper into this war. Serious damage to oil and gas infrastructure would be very bad news for much of the world.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I think it's the beginning of the end.

    Following the announcement, Katz added that the Israeli military would be authorised to "eliminate any senior Iranian official for whom the intelligence and operational circle has been closed, without the need for additional approval."

    To me, it sound like they are going to just clear out everything they can now. Surely approval would be required to protect assets / spies in the regime, and if that is being thrown away, then it sounds like the plan could be to just go total war and drag the US in as deep as possible.

    The US seems to be onboard. Even the report saying Trump wants no more strikes on energy says he is still open to it depending on the strait.

    Israel did a lot to escalate yesterday and Iran is in a worse position, along with everyone else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The Americans don’t seem to have any concern about what their gallant allies may get up to next. They’ve lost control of the narrative and they never had control of Netanyahu. What a mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭combat14


    apparently the pentagon has requested an extra 200,000,000,000 dollars for the iran war - looks like it has to go through congress should be interesting.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The Israelis will go for broke against Iran and Trump will try and cover for them as long as he can with promises of an end to the war ‘very soon’, whatever that means. However, the bad will across the world afterwards may cost America dearly. Talk about a Manchurian Candidate. Every day Trump makes Xi look kinder and gentler, no mean feat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭combat14


    irans gulf neighbours will be joining us strikes at this rate if iran keeps attacking them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    It’s quite the ask, especially since Dear Leader keeps on claiming this excursion is ending very soon. The election ads write themselves:

    Pentagon asks White House for $200bn more to fight Iran war - report

    Robert Mackey

    The Pentagon “has asked the White House to approve a more than $200bn request to Congress to fund the war in Iran, according to a senior administration official”, the Washington Post reports.

    The newspaper explains:

    The funding request is likely to stage a major political battle in Congress, as public support for the effort remains tepid and Democrats have been sharply critical. Republicans have signaled support for the forthcoming supplemental request but haven’t committed to a legislative strategy, or found a clear path to surpass the Senate’s 60-vote threshold.

    President Donald Trump campaigned on ending American adventurism abroad and frequently hammered the Biden administration for the amount of money approved to finance the war in Ukraine. By December, Congress had approved roughly $188 billion in spending for the war in Ukraine, according to the U.S. special inspector general for Operation Atlantic Resolve.

    As the Post notes, Donald Trump has repeatedly criticised his predecessor for helping Ukraine defend its territory from the full-scale Russian invasion that began in 2022. But Trump has constantly exaggerated or lied about how much the US has spent to help Ukraine deter Russia, offering vastly inflated estimates that could make the cost of his war with Iran seem small by comparison.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    • 8 ballistic missiles and 30 drone attacks against Saudi Arabia last night, the interesting thing was that Riyadh was hosting a foreign ministers meeting to discuss the war and Iran attacked the city.

    And how do you attack a gas field ? Surely the correct term is they attacked gas processing facilities at the South Pars gas field, but have you forgotten that Iran has spent the last two weeks launching attacks Saudi oil facilities ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Well they have an incredibly aggressive, militarised, technically advanced nation of 360 million doing their bidding, the sky is the limit for them really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/joe-kent-tucker-carlson-iran-war-criticism-9.7134242

    Joe Kent, the former U.S. counterterrorism director who resigned this week over concerns about the Iran war, said Wednesday that he and other senior officials "were not allowed" to share their doubts about the airstrikes with U.S. President Donald Trump.

    Speaking on Tucker Carlson's podcast, Kent said the president relied on a small circle of advisers in making his decision to strike Iran. He also claimed Israel forced Trump's hand and said this happened despite there being no evidence that Iran posed an imminent threat to the U.S.

    "A good deal of key decision makers were not allowed to come and express their opinion to the president," Kent told the conservative pundit. "There wasn't a robust debate."

    Kent says that the president won't listen to all of the intelligence and agencies etc. and just wants people around who agree with him. All of the American agencies say Iran was not building nuclear weapons.

    Trump confirms this and says he only wants people who agree with him.

    On Tuesday, he rejected Kent's criticism of the war and said he always thought Kent was "weak on security." Trump continued that if someone in his administration did not believe Iran was a threat, "we don't want those people."

    "They're not smart people, or they're not savvy people," Trump said. "Iran was a tremendous threat."

    And in the middle of this, Israel has the ear of the president, not his own agencies and those with America's interests at heart.

    Kent, who has previous connections to right-wing extremists, said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli officials personally lobbied Trump, often with information that U.S. officials couldn't confirm.

    "When we would hear what they were saying, it didn't reflect intelligence channels," Kent said.

    Three more years of this, with an American leader who requires everyone around him to agree with him, and Israeli and Russian leaders who can play him like a fool. He trusts those men more than the men he himself appoints to leadership roles in his own government because those foreign leaders tell him what he wants to hear while his own government officials' careers depend on not pissing him off so they don't tell him what he doesn't want to hear.

    In his first term, there were people there to tell him some truths but that seems to be gone. History has proven over and over that Kings with scared advisors are a disaster. This time, we have a King who is also paranoid that the entire world, and especially his allies, are screwing his country over and have been doing so for decades.

    There are no checks and balances to really fix this it seems. Even in undemocratic countries like where I live in Vietnam, these leaders get removed. In the UK, Ireland etc., they fall. But in America, they always get to finish their term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    When you take all of this into account, Iran's attacks on the Gulf states make perfect rational sense.

    Trump's own government won't convince him to pursue peace. Netenyahu definitely won't, nor will Putin. Iran has identified the only people in the entire world who Trump will listen to and who might persuade America to remove itself from the conflict, and they are attacking them to motivate them to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Four ships yesterday and ones from friendly countries during this week have navigated between two Iranian islands before making their way to the open sea for some reason.

    Even the threat that mines may of been laid by submarines or small boats would make it almost impossible for tankers to get in or out. Even bringing in navy ships to clear them would be difficult enough given all these drones and missiles pointing at them.

    Trump needs another one of his genius 5D chess moves to solve this puzzle. Maybe the drones and missiles are not that much of a problem thpugh, seen as he obliterated the missile cities which were deep under the granite mountains, just like he did with the uranium and the nuclear weapon capacity. He did didn't he ?

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Iran hit the Qatari production site again last night with extensive damage reported. The means both sites will be offline for a long time to come and Iran produced 6% of the worlds Urea from that site also.

    Good for US lng companies who are set to make a killing, TTF gas going ballistic also after closing at $54 yesterday. Incredible they never took the deal on the table that was good for everyone, but instead they rejected it without even considering the worst case scenario.

    ttf.jpg

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You meant Iran should have 'taken the deal?'

    You cannot negotiate with either Trump or Netenyahu. Their word is utterly worthless.

    Iran can only stop when Trump and Netenyahu are destroyed domestically and the people of their countries see some sense and implement regime change

    Ban billionaires



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Elections will take place in Israel and US this October and November respectively. The Israeli election could be brought forward if they fail to reach a deal on the budget by the end of this month. So, we shall see.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,113 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    He's in the escelation trap, Israel don't care and are happy to sow chaos. Trump can declare victory and walk away tomorrow but Iran can continue to cause havock to the world economy so the only option for Trump now is to go all in with boots on the ground since backing down will do sweet FA for him.

    Played like a fiddle. I expect this to get a lot worse with more and more countries being attacked by Israel. Remains to be seen if they get ballsy enough to try something near Turkey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Definitely. Can you imagine if women were in charge of all these countries how men would step in and say "stand aside and give us a turn at trying to sort this out"? If only the other option were possible, that men gave women a chance to sort this out.

    If anyone wants to see how bad patriarchal societies are, particularly ones run by old men, just look at the world today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It doesn't change the fact that Israel does not wage war or claim territory without a very good reason.

    According to Israel of course.

    The leader of Israel is current "at large" from The Hague for War Crimes, Israel itself is before the ICJ for committing Genocide and the ICJ has ordered Israel to vacate all illegally occupied territories and pay reparations.

    So, according to the rest of the world, Israel is a Genocidal State that is illegally grabbing land.

    That is why Israel is a Pariah.

    And you wonder why people "demonise" Israel?

    Take the blinkers off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No Trump, it was what he said he wanted and everyone seemed happy in Geneva. Then something changed from when the negotiators got back to the Saturday morning. Now Trump has been saying Iran was going to attack the US, they would have nuclear weapons in a week, destroy Israel and other allies.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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