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Nv and restricted licence

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    All decent(and most Chinese stuff too) nv and thermal now have serial numbers, and if not then by law when they are imported they are required to be engraved.

    You can get someone outside Ireland to purchase and hold one for you, but as noted you will need a restricted firearms certificate to possess it here, and in addition an import permit to get it brought in.

    Bottom line, SE is no longer a thing and any licences that have it will lose it on renewal and a restricted firearms certificate needs to be applied for the device to legally possess it.

    If you get it sent to a business here to hold while you are applying it would need to be a restricted rfd and they would also need to import it under permit.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭bemak


    I had posted about getting a NV sight last week but decided against it because of all the paperwork. Word has it that the requirement that they are registered as firearms might be changed in the not so distant future?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Them being restricted firearms isn't that big of an issue, if you have a genuine need for it I'd recommend you get one rather than waiting for a law change (that may not ever come).

    Even if it does they'll be non restricted firearms again, not restricteds but still legally firearms.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,421 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Most big brand NV scopes will have a serial number that can be found from the menu / about options in the interface.

    So in fact ,no real need to physically engrave it on the case. Usually there is a data plate, like on most electronic equipment that has that serial number somewhere. The number is anyway embedded in the microchips and circutry and is impossible to to alter or remove, unless you are working in the factory and can change out all the circut boards.

    You could purchase from a business, but you will probably need to get them to transfer it to an Irish RFD and then pick it up from there.

    As it is a "restricted firearm" over here and possibly a restricted export outside the UK,it might be classified as a Home Office pre approval sale on listed equipment.

    Depending on type and make and power of the device.Some UK companies will do this,others wont touch it with a barge pole.Esp if it involves "Ireland"[Nth& Sth]Better bet is get them to send it to a dealer in NI,and collect it at the border with your import cert.

    The fact that our lot insist on NV/T being classified as " restricted firearms" complicates this no end.As a restricted firearm is under UK legislation FIK a Cat 5 firearm or item, that can only be dealt with or licensed by the Home office for use or export.

    Thinking a thought about this.

    Suppose you [as in us gun owners generally]were to buy a NV/T that is a spotting scope with the capability of being added onto a day scope via a clip on attachment?

    Spotting handheld devices are legally possesible and importable minus any sort of paperwork and firearms licsense from the UK or EU.But can be "dual used" in certain models as NV/T attachments to a day scope

    At a later stage you apply for the restricted firearms lic and import the clip on attachment for the scope once granted.That is again a free part with no import cert required in the UK/EU.Even if it was,you are entitled to posses and import it as it is a" component part for a restricted firearm"

    You do this of course once your former spotting scope has become a "restricted firearm" and is duely licsensed as such.

    No need for it being sent to a dealer or import certs as in this state it is not a firearm.So where you got it from is simple on the application." Previously owned hand held scope that I wish to use as "Weapons mountable" NV scope."You have some NV/T capability in a spotter and that even lets you decide depending on the NV/T quality and pic if it is worth going another step and making it into a restricted firearm.

    Just an idea.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭keith s


    In my opinion, them being classed as any type of firearm is a big issue.

    They can add extra security requirements for the owner, when not previously needed by either putting the owner over 3 firearms or just being restricted.

    They need to be stored in a safe.

    They are not easily sent away for repair.

    They are not easily upgraded.

    When I say easily, I mean they are basically a digital camera. The technology advances so quickly that you might want to upgrade, but now have to jump through the hops of a substitution or a new firearm application.

    Then, your old equipment is harder to sell, but if you keep it, you need to continue to license it. Whatever about the extra €80 for the licence, it makes things more awkward then they need to be.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Oh I'm not saying I agree with them being classified as firearms(your point above putting the issues with that perfectly) just that they currently are and they are unlikely to be decategorised from being firearms for the forseeable future, if ever.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭keith s


    Ah, you're coming from the point of them being restricted, not to let that put people off applying/ getting a licence on them…

    Sorry, when I read that first I thought your where on Mr Brownes committee 😉.

    Yes, I'd definitely say to anyone who has one /thinking of getting one, not to be put off with the licence. I know it is different based on location, but my experience, the process of getting licences was not too bad at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Asus1


    If someone has a nv scope pre this new licence setup and had never registered it on licence before is it possible for them to licence it now.Will they have to hand it in to be stored when it's going through the process



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Exactly, that and if lads don't licence restricted stuff it then that stuff will be on the chopping block sooner.

    Best advice I heard years ago was if you want something then licence it because next year you might not be able to. 🙄

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    As in if someone had a nv/thermal device on a non restricted certificate before the restricting how do they licence it now?

    On renewal submit the renewal and a new restricted application for the device with a cover letter explaining.

    Some districts will require you store it with a restricted dealer while awaiting the licence, others will let you keep it but not take it out of the safe, others will let you keep using it while the application is ongoing.

    Postcode lottery as usual unfortunately.

    However if they had a device which was never licenced then they're in possession of an unlicensed restricted firearm now, and even before the restricting they were in possession of an unlicensed non restricted firearm.

    Both not good for your future in firearms ownership…

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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