Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

our Taoiseach did much better than the Leader of Germany who sat through the denigration of a fellow eEU member - Spain- and never raised as much as an eyebrow.

The paddys day visit has always encouraged as testimony of the US's positive engagement in peace movements in regional conflicts during the 1990s.

The visit in of itself was never really a state visit and usually always included politicians from NI, sometimes from London too.

Trump is not a politician, never was, so a seasoned brass neck like Martin knew to keep it tight, have contingency answers for Trump brainfarts and then move on. I think Trump set the bar so low with the Zelensky ambush that every visiting premier knew to that Trump thrives on insults, so when barbed attacks come the better tactic was always have an answer that moves the audience on to the next topic/talking point.

Edit, arguing with Trump is like wrestling with a pig, everyone gets dirty but the pig enjoys it.

Is Bondi about to be thrown under the bus? Can't see Comer voting for this without approval from TACO Prez!

https://www.ms.now/news/house-oversight-committee-subpoenas-bondi-over-epstein-files

Heritage Foundation Project 25 new appointee,

https://www.ms.now/ali-velshi/project-2025-heritage-foundation-plan-american-women-abortion-education-family

From Scott Yenor, a conservative political scientist recently appointed to a senior leadership role at The Heritage Foundation

The people promoting this vision aren’t even hiding their goals. Scott Yenor, a conservative political scientist recently appointed to a senior leadership role at The Heritage Foundation, has described universities as “the citadels of our gynecocracy,” meaning a society run by women and argued that higher education should be de-emphasized to advance what he calls “family matters.”

In a 2021 speech at the National Conservatism Conference, he went even further, suggesting that women should be pushed out of large parts of the workforce.

“Every effort must be made not to recruit women into engineering, but rather to recruit and demand more of men who become engineers,” he said. “Ditto for med school and the law and every trade.”

“If every Nobel Prize winner is a man, that’s not a failure,” he continued. “It’s kind of a cause for celebration. Why can’t our celebration of male excellence in sports be translated into all facets of life. More successful men will mean more happy citizenry and a stronger nation.”

In that same speech, Yenor attacked women who prioritize careers over family and revealed something else about his thinking, something that should frighten everyone:

Such medicated, quarrelsome and meddlesome women gain their meaning through the seeming participation in the global project. They are agents of the new world, but not new life. Such women are now the backbone of every left-wing cosmopolitan party in the Western world, from the Greens in Germany to the Democratic Party in America. And if our ideal woman is a childless media scold or a barren bureaucratic apparatchik, there is no question whether we can have a future. We can’t. There is a question of whether we deserve one.

I look at how Chancellor Merz did and I look at how Martin did and I think it certainly wasn't as bad as it could have been.

There's no point taking on a moronic narcissistic bully ...they'll only drag you to their level and continue to be just that anyway

At some point the Orange clowns actions will catch up with him (not in the way they should) but I expect a neutered embarrassing figurehead for a spell.....Martin wouldn't hasten any of that by having it out with him at a press conference....

If consequences don't arrive....better not to have embarrassed the twat unduly etc

I am not a big fan of MM, there's just something about him I don't like. Others do like him, and that's completely fine.

But to always have a go at him, no matter what he does, is a load of balls.

He interjected and defended Starmer and by extension, another European country (if no longer EU)

He pushed back on immigration and made some counter points to Trump's view on it.

He is being applauded by Americans themselves, and by Aaron Rupar, an American journalist who covers Trump intensely.

He came across as professional and logical. He spoke up, but maintained decorum.

It's a press conference and photo op essentially. Not a Transition Year debate. There's a private conversation that takes place.

It wouldn't be very politically clever to start having some kind of pop off him in front of cameras to score fickle points to cheer on social media. What would that achieve? Do you think publicly humiliating Trump is a good move?

He's over there on behalf of the State. There were presidents before Trump and will be presidents after. This annual visit has happened before many were born and will (hopefully) continue til long after all of us are dead.

It's about something bigger. Concerns raised behind the scenes. Contacts. Communication. Not many countries our size have a chance to maintain that, no matter how small the benefits of that may be.

It's notable that anyone criticising Martin is criticising what he didn't do. I can only imagine the horn if there was a genuine egg on face incident. I could come up with a list of anyone at all and what they didn't do.

But he came across as a professional and rational leader beside a highly controversial figure. Fair dues to him on that.

SAVE Act, which would require ID (but not allow Student ID as admissible) to vote, including birth certs (despite married women often having changed their surnames) or passports (which 50% of Americans don't have) has cleared a procedural hurdle 51-48. However unless they get rid of the fillibuster this is not going to go through as it would require 60 votes.

Trump is threatening to unilterally bring in these changes if congress won't.

WH Chief of Staff Suzie Wiles battling early stage breast cancer, Trump says.

No. You've made a false statement, twice, mentioning "attacking" President Trump. I never said Micheál Martin should have attacked Donald Trump.

You also presumed something that I would then say, after a something that was never said in the first place.

I mentioned the Air Corps because that episode of Prime Time aired a couple of weeks ago and was the most recent example of my point. You called Micheál Martin "a seasoned politician". Sure, he is, he's been around a long time, he was around and in government at the time of the financial crash. I think he's a seasoned bluffer, speaking out of both sides of his mouth which Prime Time backed up. Just because someone holds office, doesn't mean they're good at their job. Look at this thread we're posting in, after all.

You've said a couple of times to have the conviction to stand over what I posted. I'm asking you AGAIN to show me where I said Micheál Martin should have attacked Donald Trump?

Back to the real reason Trump attacked Iran,

I just skip all these he said she said you said posts, Christ they are tiresome.