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Are you going to retire at 66

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭black & white


    I think it will if you have a ARF, but not if an Annuity. That’s what I took from recent dealings with pension advisors



  • Subscribers Posts: 17,114 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    it depends if it s an annuity type pension (generally no) or an arf/prsa pension (yes)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭blackbox


    I have a company defined benefit pension and if I die first my spouse gets a 50% pension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    We had a choice last year, get the deck replaced or get solar and an EV.

    We chose the deck as the old one was dangerously rotten and the weather was glorious, we got great use out of it last year.

    This oil shock is definitely going to push more fence sitters towards solar and EVs. 2025 was the year the EU produced more electricity by wind and solar than fossil fuels.

    Overall I can see solar being a big saver, but also possibly a pension income stream, especially with people with big gardens that they past caring for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    We get the EV, the EV is a substantial savings on driving costs, not going to bother with solar panels, as I dont think we'd make the money back on them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭Geuze




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭BraveDonut




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    If the entrire DC fund is used to purchase an annuity at retirement, then typically no.

    If some or all of the fund is transferred into an ARF, then yes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    I cant find the post now, but you would be surprised how important being near a know hospital is to some, its something that would never occur to me as Ireland is a small enough country, that and having to live somewhere cosmopolitan.

    In the 80s the big thing was moving to somewhere so the children could go to college and live at home long, before the internet there was always information swapped and connection made that might be helpful.

    I recently met someone recently who started life lecturing in an IT in the 80s now retired and as time went on they were flabbergasted by the explosion of student getting on the course he lectured in with neighed the skills or ability to do the course, it was the push by middle class parents to get their children in to college.

    Ireland has changed so much for the better in a lot of way but not in every way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    My current contract states 65 (12 years to go) for retirement I'm not sure if the company is willing to extend it to 68, But either way if i make it to retirement hopefully be out the door at 65.

    I've always worked manual jobs out in all types of weather with some office work thrown in , Working shifts days/nights 24/7/365 weekends etc,

    Have the house paid for only loan currently is the car loan which be paid off sometime this year.

    Pension wise currently have two (DC) one deferred which i was thinking about tapping into the other one with current employer, Between 2003 to 2016 I had no pension so playing catch up with the AVC.

    In the mean time i plan on getting the house done up new windows doors back garden reworked solar panels, Just to try and future proof the house rather do it while still working.

    I have a number of hobbies so if in good health it will keep me going probably do the odd days work driving either a bus/truck.

    Now according to my pension provider the current pension fund projection shows over a million? I'll believe that when i see it.( Will see about taking the 200k lump sum) And will also have to add private health care to the yearly budget for the two of us.

    I honestly believe for people retiring in the next 10/15 years that the state pension be gone if you have a private pension, Or the govt will means test the f**k out of you that you be eligible for little or nothing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Dub Counsel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    They didn't increase the pension age because of voter backlash .

    If they reduce the Pension itself they will never step inside the doors of Dáil Eireann again .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    The current numpties in the Dail haven't a notion of the real world look at Harris Richmond Mc Entee etc they have never actually worked in the real world. They have being on the expenses train from day 1 only time will tell what they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    But they cleverly gave people the choice to defer the age you can draw your pension so they can keep working, it's very clever what ever about the positions, there are some very clever people working in the departments. Pp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    It is only financially worthwhile defering your State Pension Contributary if you are going to live longer than approx 87 and don't continue earning after 66. It is only beneficial to those who are slightly short PRSI contributions to qualify or get to higher payment band.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    Good point. Plus if you are paying PRSI all your working life it would be a bit much to renege on the contract that says "you will pay tax and PRSI every month for 40 years in return for the state pension.". Imagine saying that to anyone in their 50s now who has been paying for it for the last 30 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Yes, but I dislike the narrative that the government should raise the pension age past 66 it's another version of the young verses the old a narrative that old are robbing the young it's not good for social cohesion.

    One issue that could become divisive is the fact that, for example a nurse employed by the HSE before 2013 can retired with a pension at 60, and those recruited after 2013 can't get the pension till they are 65.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Those nurses signed up to a different pension . Many do not get SCP either . It's been discussed before . Their 'gold plated pension '. (sic ) Is based on a D stamp which entitled them to less social benefits than those paying an A stamp , for example .

    There are many jobs where pensions were different DC as opposed to DB even in the private sector . You cannot blame people for getting a pension that they signed up to and paid contributions for over 40 years .

    Different pensions and terms are negotiated over the years . If we were to complain about people retiring on so called gold pensions , it could be just as easily pointed out that working hours and conditions were also very different when those same pensioners started working . And more onerous in many cases .

    So how do you define who is getting the better deal ? 😁

    I am happy on my smaller pension now with my SCP kicking in at 66 and while I worked hard for my years had access to good maternity leave , career break if needed , and job sharing while my children needed me around .

    You can't have everything...although that would be nice 🤗



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    Those nurses won't last to 65, unless they have moved to more admin type role. I know front line nurses in their early 50s and they are knackered from years of high workload and long shift work hours. Those who did not manage to buy a house are FUBARED long term.

    This was the Nursing Unions selling out on the new recruits. The Teacher Unions did the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    I don't have much interest in being alive to that age. Given that I am an incel man life would be grim at that age. The only reason most people stay alive at that age is to see their grandchildren grow up.

    I would rather die at 60 than end up having to go live in a care home. I can't imagine a worse fate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    From memory it was Mary Hanifin who upped the retirement age to 68 while herself Mary coughlan and a few others retired at around 50ish.

    Ivan Yates has being enjoying his TD/Minister pension for the guts of 30 years. I think after the 08 crash they upped the retirement age for newly elected TD to 65.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This bollox again. None of those changes to T&Cs of new recruits were agreed to by unions. The government imposed them unilaterally.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Hanafin didn't retire from politics, she just keeps failing to get elected 😀

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,716 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Genuine question, BHQ, is there literally anything people post that you don't automatically filter through the (self-applied) filter of being an incel??? It's bizarre. As is this particular position. I'm child free by choice so won't have any grandchildren to "stay alive" for, but I certainly don't plan on checking out early just because of that. There's more to life than romantic relationships and having children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭donkey balls




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Nursing unions did not shaft younger nurses , we all stayed out in 2019 until everybody got a good deal. Are you talking about something else ?

    You are mixing nurses and teachers up ( INTO ) I think .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The retirement age is not 68.

    It is 66 .

    And is paused at that .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    They will try and get it in at another time believe me they won't let this go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,182 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭black & white


    My old lad was born in 1932 and often complained about the b*stards in FG (or whatever it was called then) because they took a shilling off the pension in the 1924 budget. It caused widespread bad feeling at the time and I think governments had avoided reducing the pension since.



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