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Louis Theroux: Inside the Manosphere

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,968 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Theroux said to that one guy something like, "Why not spread positivity instead?" and the guy just went, "Nah, that doesn't make money…" Not verbatim, but that was the message.

    Anyway, yeah, social media is a problem but even if you put limits on the more visible forms of it like Instagram, you still have this whole backend that almost no-one outside of the target demographic like Discord and Telegram. The public outcry will always be a year or two behind the bleeding edge of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Given the fact we've had multiple spree killers who were proponents of incel culture and all aspects of the manosphere have become increasingly more mainstream, I'd say that is pretty concerning. Then there's the likes of Andrew Tate who is a sex trafficker who even seems to frequently be defended on this site. On top of all of this, plenty of these figures appear to have the ear of the US President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    I gave up 3/4 way through. Just wasn't interesting enough. Barely articulate juiced steroid goons selling bad finance products online....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,611 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    It always seems a massive red flag when someone thinks they see "paedo vibes" everywhere. Like when those pastors who think everyone is gay and then get caught with some male prostitute in a motel room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭numbnutz


    I saw the documentary and agree it didn't land any great punch as I was expecting Andrew Tate to be interviewed which I think would have been interesting. It didnt feel as well researched as his other documentaries but it still did expose what utter arseholes they all are. Travelling around with them was like watching Jackass meets TOWIE. The scene where HS and his crew "beats" up this guy and then denies he took part in it was beyond pathetic.
    Social media has so much to answer for and just like paper never refuses ink the internet will never refuse an immature so called Alpha male poser arsehole. I love the fact he got 300 hours unpaid work to do as part of his sentence. No doubt he'll try and monetise that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I watched it. It's terribly boring…..very childish stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    I understand the feeling that it didn't land the punch people would hope for but I think it's kind of pointless endeavor if that's the objective. All these guys thrive on attention, and like Trump there's no amount of criticism you can level at them that will put their followers off. If anything it seems to more deeply entrench them in a "us against them" mentality.

    I thought the documentary was ok, the guys interviewed were massively insecure and cringey to watch. I found it useful in just making me aware of what's going on online, I didn't realize how out of the loop I was tbh. I don't think it's going to convert anyone from following these jackasses though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    We (actually the US) also had recent spree killers who were proponents of transgender rights. Most right thinking people don't link trans rights to spree killing though. It's a bit more complex than that.

    The concept of the manosphere sounds so vague and broad (including the likes of Jordan Petersen) and anyone and everyone involved in "father's rights" that it seems like a convenient boogeyman category to throw people in, if that's what you mean by becoming increasingly mainstream.

    I might quote the next few paragraphs of that article i mentioned:

    The internet is endless, and without resorting to a level of centralised control over adult discourse that would be counter-productive even if it was possible, content will always find expression somewhere. Bans remain inconvenient and personally damaging to the banned, but for creators who can power through, they function as a badges of authenticity, unfakeable identifiers of the most hardcore and rebellious content creators - the exact ones that a healthily transgressive person (most young men fit in this category) would want to seek out.

    It takes a true spiritual schoolmarm to miss this point, but Louis does; when he describes the denizens of the Manosphere as dwelling “in the unregulated new media landscape they share their unfiltered views….” the conclusion we are supposed to reach is clear, that regulation and “filtering” would put a stop to all this when they are in fact powering it, necessitating it - at least in part.

    As I said I didn't see the program. If he interviewed someone a bit more thoughtful like Jordan Peterson, I might have watched it. But from the sounds of it, the ones he spoke to weren't the brightest pennies in the till and whose only motivation for engaging with him was more exposure for themselves. So, what is the takeaway from it? That awful influencers are exploiting gullible people (young men in this case) on the Internet. What else is new?

    This review seems to agree.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/louis-theroux-manosphere-netflix-documentary-review-b2938455.html

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,611 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I was looking forward to this and I was looking forward to these muppets being exposed by Louis but……… in the end I just felt really sad. This HS lad putting up a front with all his cars and big house and he's just extremely sad, angry and lost. Taking all his anger at his father out on women.

    As for the podcast fella, I thought he might have just been playing a character and his girlfriend was playing along but that wasn't the case. he was exposed as being a sad man as well.

    I got the impression that the HS fella was on the verge of losing the plot or even suicide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    one of the weirdest messages I have ever read on Boards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,071 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I would guess LT didnt get a lot of these folk allowing him to tag along with them and that's why we dont have interviews with more high profile "influencers".

    I would say they asked Tate and blanked them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,539 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    My favourite part is when LT is interviewing one of their wives and she talks about "how great her partners masculinity is and such an Alpha". I'm just looking at your man then and he's got a face of filler and his eyebrows plucked to perfection. Real masculine alrite!

    Complete frauds and scammers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,415 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Agreed, and unfortunately that's the big downside to this documentary. Most people had never heard of HStikkytokky (including myself thankfully), but since the documentary a lot of people on social media have been talking about him, hashtagging his name etc, which causes algorithms to then push more stuff about him to everyone, which means people who hadn't heard of him and may not have even watched the documentary are now seeing some of his stuff, which will then increase his engagement and probably get him a bunch of new followers too.

    Most of the bigger manosphere pricks probably researched Theroux and decided they were best off out of it, whereas the likes of HS has used it to drive his own engagement (similar to how he outright said he says controversial things he doesn't believe just for engagement) even though he comes across as a pathetic bellend in the whole thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,071 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I had not heard of any of the guys featured on the show.

    Then again, im not in that world online. Dont do Insta, FB, X, Discord, Telegram etc.

    HSTikkyTokky is a terrible childish name, he needs to change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,798 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Tate and Peterson and Paul aren't stupid enough to take on Louis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I presume they know who he is. The people featured clearly had never heard of louis or even done any cursory research before agreeing to be interviewed by him. So used to being in their bubble they probably thought he would be fawning over them and he would make them look good. Idiots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    I was pretty sure he was wearing a woman's suit too 😝



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Dublin_Anthony_2025


    you speaking from experience ? i mean look at the name



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,330 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    I doubt they thought he would fawn over them. They just wanted the extra attention to grow their influence and make more money. No one that would follow them would care what Louis says and any one who does would probably never follow them any way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Any comment on the actual people from the documentary? Sounds suspiciously similar to how they were trying to smear him in the documentary.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭dk1982


    nah definitely just you, no doubt with your nose out of joint because he made a fool out of your heroes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Dublin_Anthony_2025




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Welcome to the rage bait economy; way too many people whose career depends on making people angry have a massive influence on people. All the incentives are for gaining attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    I'd expect someone who's 45 to have a bit more cop on with what they post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Dublin_Anthony_2025




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭Lillyfae




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭KilOit


    Even the scientologists had to be trained up to defend against his interview techniques



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In fairness declaring a person to look like a paedophile when he's highlighting a dangerous subculture is a pretty odd and immature perspective. Participating in a discussion forum isn't inherently immature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Peterson might have done a Cathy Newman on him. So I doubt they approached him. He doesn't quite fit the expected influencer mould.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Peterson seems to have dropped off the internet, at least he got his lucre for advertising a book of Trump tweets and got to celebrate the Trump X-Men administration.



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