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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Romania’s top defence body has approved a U.S. request to expand the use of its airbases in support of operations in the Middle East.

    Incredible assisting the the genocidal state and Daddy who have carried out 2 illegal, unprovoked acts of aggression on a country that was partaking in negotiations to resolve issues.

    They should be sanctioning them both not helping them. Now they are getting sanctioned even more.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Spain has withdrawn its ambassador to Israel. Spain already banned vessels carrying weapons from its ports. Gideon Saar called the latter move "anti semitic", which of course to Israel is anything they disagree with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,345 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    ^^^

    The term antisemitic has lost all meaning .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Iran says it won't allow 'a single litre of oil' to pass through Strait of Hormuz

    Iran says its policy for reciprocal strikes "has ended", a spokesman for Tehran's Khatam al-Anbiya military command headquarters says in a statement.

    Tehran's policy now will be "strike upon strike," spokesman Ebrahim Zolfaqari says.

    Tehran will "not allow even a single litre of oil" to pass through the Strait of Hormuz to reach the US, Israel and their partners, Zolfaqari adds. "Any vessel or tanker bound to them will be a legitimate target."

    "Get ready for the oil barrel to be at $200 because the oil price depends on the regional security which you have destabilised," the spokesman adds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Generally when you talk about destroying a countries military, air-force or navy it means degrading it a point where it's no longer effective, not the elimination of every single vessel/plane/vehicle.

    I'm sure Iran still has plenty of planes and boats tucked away, but just nothing that resembles a functional service capable of mounting much in the way of operations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,040 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    So the same applies to ireland then? Im sure if Shannon was attacked you'd be all ah sure, we kind of deserve it? I guess even the tsa pre clearance area in Dublin is fair game as a target then given that its technically a US border. Im sure you would get the idiots cheering this on actually if it meant being able to blame Israel somehow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    And just while this is on my my mind, I just want to share another couple of other anecdotes about when I've been to the region. There is just far too much dehumanisation going on both in general and on this thread.

    When I was in Syria in 2005/2006 I was in Hama (I think this where the interaction happened anyway) and I was travelling around with a German woman I met in Damascus. We were stopped on the street by a young girl called Sarah Ahmed, who just wanted to say hello and tell us that she could speak English and was 7 years old. After all that's gone on since I was there I sincerely hope she is now 27 and doing well.

    One other thing that jumps out is when I was in Bethlehem in 2008. I visited the Church of the Nativity and when I was finished I was hungry and went to a falafel place nearby. I have very basic Arabic and was able to ask for my food and make basic small talk with the man working there, he thought this was great. And then when I crossed back into Israel I saw the actual apartheid the Palestinians were subjected to. I actually felt guilty being waved through while the IDF were shouting at Palestinians looking to cross.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    Interesting dynamic starting to evolve regarding the continued shipments of crude to China from Iran's southern ports beyond the strait. Lots of international crude carriers that were "waiting for orders" have now flagged as on order to Chinese ports. Actually Chinese flagged ships have passed through the strait without problem since the Israeli/US attacks began.

    Trump risks setting up a direct confrontation with China if the US navy attacks a Chinese flagged ship or any vessel on hire to China in an Iranian port. The supposed summit between Xi and Trump in Beijing has already been reduced to one day by the hosts as they cite the White House's unwillingness to engage in an agenda for the summit (which is an established diplomatic norm) as unproductive.

    Thanks to China's build out of its strategic crude reserves it can play the longest waiting game in this current drama while still topping up with Iranian supplies which it already gets a 12% discount on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Calm down, no one will be cheering any loss of lives.

    Unlike the rogue states you are constantly on here defending.

    But to broaden your question, there is debate whether Shannon or specifically what passes through Shannon would be a legitimate target under international laws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/mar/11/donald-trump-iran-welcome-2026-world-cup-gianni-infantino

    Iran are missing a trick here, they should leave that decision to the absolute last minute so they can't be replaced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    They are afraid that the team wouldn't come home and that would be a huge propaganda defeat. We saw the Iranian women had to be corralled by officials in Australia last week.

    Imagine Trump welcoming the team to stay in America because of their oppression. In order to avoid that possibility, the Iranian regime will destroy the dreams of their own people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Giving the fúcking state of Trumps America and where it is heading especially for people who are not white, I imagine they would be less oppressed back home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    That shows a level of ignorance of what happens in Iran that is staggering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,737 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    How the Iran war proves America needs Europe:

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You mean citizens being executed in the streets?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    "Get ready for the oil barrel to be at $200 because the oil price depends on the regional security which you have destabilised,"

    The Iranians are being clever there, they repeated the €200 dollar remark all week.

    It's for one set of ears primarily.

    Trump got bored of this war once he woke up the morning after he started it. But something like that is impossible ignore.

    As for it reaching the €200 mark.

    It's not impossible, the highest it ever reached was 147ish in 2008, in todays money that would be roughly €220.

    That high level of energy costs coupled with Trumps daft tariffs only means one thing for the American economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    A person can acknowledge the extreme dysfunction in the US right now under Trump without having to resort of extreme hyperbole that it's somehow equivocal with the experience of life in Iran.

    Just last night the head of Iranian police threatened that any protestors would be shot and treated as the enemy. This a very short time after the hard fact that a minimum of thousands were killed by the regime for protesting.

    It reminds me of that video of the college students reluctantly and awkwardly saying they'd rather live in Iran than Israel when asked.

    For some reason it didn't seem to occur to them at all that it's perfectly fine and consistent to just say "I'd rather live here/there but that doesn't justify the terrible things this/that country is doing".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's not hyperbole. Trump's militia have shot, executed and imprisoned protestors. He has also threatened protestors by unleashing the military.

    It is equivocal.

    Not a great look to be fair.

    Morals can't be a little bit pregnant. Even allowing for adjudicating least worst by using scale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Of course they got attacked, they had US bases or allowed their own ports to be used by the US military and used their territory to support the war. The propaganda that they were 'neutral in this conflict' is pure propaganda. Just because the US launched their attacks from their aircraft carriers instead of taking off from the bases in the gulf does not make those American bases 'neutral' and they are completely legitimate targets.

    How dare Iran attack countries that are hosting bases and of the country that is attacking them.

    Of course Iran would have taken out the US Radar installations that are being used to shoot down Iranian missiles.

    America and their allies try to make the case that Iran are being the aggressors and there are plenty of useful idiots in the west and our media who go along with that narrative.

    America made this an existential threat to the iranian regime, so of course will do everything they can to defeat their aggressors, and this means they will attack US allies in the region and they will close the straits to inflict economic hardship and increase political pressure on America and Israel to end their attack.


    The other gulf states should be absolutely furious at America for dragging them into the conflict. Not whinging about Iran attacking them after America and Israel started the war.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It is Israel that has rendered the term "antisemitic" as moot by uttering it at everyone and anyone who criticises them. People aren't stupid and have recognised it for some time.

    The double jeopardy however is those who are truly antisemitic will hand wave the accusation away and they will rarely be challenged. It will only be the clear cut antisemites who will be brought to account and not those who are antisemitic but are clever enough to cloak their hatred for Jews somewhat.

    This is a massive own goal for Israel who now open the door for Jews to be targeted simply for being Jewish and antisemites not to be held account for their utterly disgusting behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Your position is that because Trump's goons unlawfully killed a few people, it's directly equivocal with Iran shooting dead thousands of people for protesting?

    Surely you must understand that being a basis of "the US is just as oppressive a place as Iran" that's not remotely logical or rational.

    The problem with the US is a backslide on rights in recent years.

    The problem with Iran is that people there effectively have never had any rights of any kind at all for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    And not a single thing you have said there justifies your anti-semitism. Calling all Jews everywhere, whether they are Israeli or not, is racist anti-semitism (and in the case of your anti-semitic post, it was specifically non-Israelis who were the target of your racism). You might feel that your rage at the actions of the Israeli government justifies your racist anti-semitism, but it doesn't. You could learn from much better people than you who post on this thread. They are just as enraged at the actions of the Israeli government. But they don't debase themselves or their arguments by lowering themselves to your level of pure racist hatred against people who have nothing to do with the actions of the Israeli government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,798 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    For the last few years all anti-semitism has just been waved away or laughed at and justified



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It's those moments of innocence and humanity that make the current situation across the ME so horrific and tragic.

    A man serving falafel and a seven year old proud of her English.

    Equally, though Israel has a tight control over reporting, I'm sure many Israelis are terrified, some have been killed, some wounded, their property damaged or destroyed.

    I'd bet there's a good few seven year old Israeli girls proud of their English and quite a few falafel shop owners living in terror.

    Thanks for sharing - the anecdotes make it so much more human. I pray both of those people you met are safe and that the Israeli people are safe too.

    I only wish that justice prevails for Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich and Trump.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    That's the thing about strawman arguments, you have to make things up to justify your false narrative.

    If you really think I or anyone else would be cheering for that then you'd be wrong, just like I'm not cheering for the other countries being attacked. Just like we aren't cheering seeing the on going cause of destruction in the middle east. However what we should be looking at is not letting the US use shannon for armed conflict so that this possibility never arises and we end up in the same situation as those ME countries.

    If those middle eastern countries didn't have aggressor states with troops in them then they might not have been attacked and can claim neutrality.

    If US missiles at France were being fired from US planes stationed in Switzerland would you agree that france couldn't attack those bases because Switzerland claims neutrality?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Your position is that because Trump's goons unlawfully killed a few people, it's directly equivocal with Iran shooting dead thousands of people for protesting?

    Well no, that isn't my position at all.

    But lets be clear, Trumps "Goons" executed people, brutalised, detained them and locked them up.

    The exact same way the Iranian regime did.

    You are trying to minimise one, by using the scale of the other.

    They are both the actions of a brutal regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No it hasn't.

    The Israel Regime has redefined anti-semitism as anyone that calls out their brutal genocidal regime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Yep, happens all the time in Iran.

    972 executions in Iran in 2024, most of them in public on public streets.

    Those are the ones we know about because they happen in public on the street. Those killed elsewhere are sadly not known.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/09/iran-over-1000-people-executed-as-authorities-step-up-horrifying-assault-on-right-to-life/

    "Those at risk include individuals sentenced to death for drug-related offences or overly broad and vaguely defined charges such as “enmity against God” (moharebeh), "corruption on earth” (efsad-e fel-arz), and “armed rebellion against the state” (baghi) following grossly unfair trials before Revolutionary Courts."



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