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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'd imagine Lebanon will be worried that once the US leave Iran, Israel will put 100% effort into turning Beirut into Gaza and annexing the South.


    In Israel, a source told Haaretz that Netanyahu's office was not surprised by U.S. President Trump's remarks overnight into Tuesday that the war is "pretty much" complete and could end soon, adding that Israel is preparing for the possibility that Trump will seek to end it in the near future, partly due to the lack of support for it in the U.S.

    The source added that while Israel will continue striking in Iran as much as possible before the U.S. seeks to halt the fighting, it understands that the war is not expected to lead to the Islamic regime's immediate collapse.

    According to the Wall Street Journal, officials in Trump's orbit have been nudging him to publicly assert that the campaign in Iran has served its purpose, fearing that support for the war among the president's conservative base will soon wane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Iran have given a death toll. I expect a lot of civilians were killed in the crossfire. It's unknown how many were killed by Iranian authorities or what they call us bscked terrorists. Its possible your assertion is correct, unbalanced or inverted, who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Yep, I haven't spoken to our Iranian friends for years. They were very balanced and not radicalized so I'd be inclined to believe them but not calling up to ask that. They weren't in love with the Iran regime but nor did they hate it and we spoke about the history Iran/ Iraq war.

    II don't know your friends. Perhaps they support the Shah or hate islam or perhaps they're just really worried being away from Iran or maybe they have accurately assessed the situation via their phone calls home. I don't know and I don't know you so am only going on what I read/ experience etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    They are a joint enterprise so attacked Iran together, I am sorry if your feelings are hurt by me lumping Israel and the US together for the killings that happen during their attack on Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I honestly have no issues with Israel taking the war and the fight to Iran. The Iranian regime are scumbag dictatorship terrorists who mass slaughter their own citizens, and fund terrorist groups in the region like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis etc.

    None of their neighbouring Arab countries like them either, and that really should tell you everything you need to know about the Iranian regime. Iran, Israel and the Middle East in general will be much safer places, once the scumbags in currently in power in Iran are put out of commission.

    It was the Iranian government who were the ultimate plotters and masterminds behind the October 7th 2023 attacks on Israel. Israel should have went after Iran immediately in the aftermath, but i can also understand why they wanted to hold off until a US president who is fully behind them like Trump was back in the White House.

    War is horrible and war is ugly, but as in the case of this conflict and World War II sometimes war is the only way and the only viable path forwards unfortunately.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    I've never heard that saying,seems very wordy to me….and are you then doing 2 craps on their doorstep for the interest return or just a huge one as an ultimate fu(k you to them??

    edit : you edited out the only interesting part of your post…booooooo!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So you've no issue with Israel funding Hamas, funding and arming criminal militias in Gaza and slaughtering its own citizens - only Iran?

    The saying if you crap on someone else's doorstep then expect the favour to be returned with interest springs to mind.

    You do realise that notion works both ways?

    And I assume you're perfectly OK paying for this at the pump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    All i will say that this isn't happening for the fun of it. The Iranian regime has stated on countless occasions that they want the blood of Israelis and Jews. Iran are the only outlier her imo. Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE and Bahrain etc know that the Iranians are trouble and are fully behind Israel and the US here.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    'Ah shure, war is war'. The usual intellectually devoid response from apologists for mass murder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,315 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Israel provided some support to the roots of Hamas in the 70's/80's as a counterweight to the PLO. A bit like pitting them against each other, which seemed to make sense at the time (but has been criticised later)

    Also Israel allowed Qatar to fund Hamas (civil servant salaries, etc) to actually stabilise the situation and not allow an ISIS style descent. Likewise understandable.

    Yes Israel did apparently fund some armed militias in Gaza, but again it was to provoke internal divisions.

    Part of Israel's perpetually meddling with Palestinians for it's own ends.

    The Iranian situation is different, the regime are slaughtering their own people. Unless Israel starts doing the same to it's own citizens systematically, there's little comparison in that regard.

    Can criticise both.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    They're not Muslim , he fled Iran due to threats from the regime. His wife's brother was shot in the head last year by the militia.

    They both have family living in Shiraz.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I know of an Australian citizen who for family and diplomatic reasons is stranded in Bahrain. According to him everyone there hates Iran not Israel because Iran are launching drone attacks on the country, just like what they are doing elsewhere in the Middle East.

    During the troubles here on our island both sides were willing to come to the negotiating table to try and form a diplomatic solution which was achieved. There's no use or point in negotiating however with people who's objectives and demands is that your country and your people be vanquished.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,315 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, but it's starting to look like the Iranian regime may come out of this even stronger (domestically), which means Iranians will suffer even more.

    I don't support Trump nor his actions but I was hoping against hope that this would somehow trigger regime collapse, but even that doesn't look likely.

    I'm actually surprised it's taken Israel this long to take serious action against Iran who've been endlessly firing rockets at them through proxies for decades, but yeah chickens coming home to roost and all that. And as we've seen not a single neighbour in the region is shedding a tear for the Iranian regime.

    As I predicted before, if Trump/Israel can't make a vassal cowed state out of Iran's leadership, then they will smash all it's military/nuclear means and leave it as toothless as they can. Also set it up so they can "visit" again whenever they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel allowed the funding of Hamas up to October 2022 to ensure the PA had no foothold in Gaza and thereby splitting the Palestinians into Gaza (Hamas) and the rest (PA). Israel promoted instability and still does - hence the militias in Gaza.

    And I think your choice of "meddling" diminishes what Israel is attempting to do - Extermination, Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide are closer to the mark.

    And you are aware that Israel does actually slaughter its own citizens? And certainly slaughters those people under its full control (70,000 plus). So I'd disagree, the comparison is very apt.

    If slaughtering people is the measure, Israel puts Iran in the ha'penny place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I suppose if you tell yourself a lie often enough you'll end up starting to believe it's true eventually.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I'm generally a fan of this man's opinions. This video is from 2014 but pretty much all of it still holds up well. I just think he explains things in a much more better and efficient manner than i about the cause of the problems in the Middle East. I'll give you a spoiler though it's all about and all to do with a long and deeply held hatred of the Jews.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    CBS News senior White House reporter saying Iran are starting preperations to lay sea mines along the shipping lanes in the strait of Hormuz. They are estimated to have up to 6000 mines in stock.

    Trump has stated if they do that they will be bombed like they have never been bombed before.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Iran is Persian, not Arab. Speak Farsi, not Arabic. Are Shia, not Sunni.

    They are hardened, self reliant,hard-line fundamentalists and will fight anyone and everyone that does them harm or they think has harmed them.

    They are nearly as isolated in the Middle East as Israel.

    Both are dangerous, unpredictable and ruthless. And they hate each other completely. A war between them will only end when one is defeated completely. I don't care what Trump says about the war ending soon. Israel might say so publicly. Hell, even Iran might say so publicly. But ultimately this won't end until one is obliterated. Both will wait for an opportunity. Will wait years if need be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Both are dangerous, unpredictable and ruthless. And they hate each other completely. A war between them will only end when one is defeated completely

    Only one has nuclear weapons and I would not put it past them to use them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Hard to lay mines when your navy is gathering barnacles at the bottom of the sea, something Iranian regime now has in common with their Russian allies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,315 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    There's little comparison between the Israeli government and the Iranian regime in terms of domestic.

    Israeli voters will get to choose their leadership this October, as they do every circa 4 years. Iran is a religious dictatorship which wears a mask of "democracy".

    The Iranian regime systematically kills it's own people, whereas people in Israel are free to protest without getting mown down, and Israel doesn't have any such policies against it's own people.

    I'd much rather live in Israel, so would you, so would anyone. There's no comparison domestically.

    Foreign policy is a different beast altogether. Despite how horrendous Israel is, Tehran has managed to make more enemies in the region that Tel Aviv has - quite the accomplishment. Not to mention deliberately using (abusing) the Palestinians, and their plight, as pawns and fodder.

    Interesting how Iranian regime meddling in Palestinian territory, which results in tremendous suffering, gets a selective convenient blind eye turned towards it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Can't Iran just attack the boats that try to pass teh strait from the land? Wonder if this will be part of the Russian- assisted negotiated climb down by Trump,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'm seeing reports that Netanyahu's house was targeted and that his brother was killed. Also that Ben Gvir was targeted and either badly wounder or dead.

    Anyone else see this ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Thought this was a very good long read on the real motives at play from the US and Israel.

    Goes into the true insane background to the ideology of the current Israeli government and how they are carrying on the ideology of the headbanger terrorist rabbi Meir Kahane who was murdered in 1990 and how Greater Israel is their goal.

    My bet is this war isn't ending any time soon.

    https://sarahkendzior.substack.com/p/the-no-world-order

    One of the things that really bugs me about western media in the run up to this and in the early stages last week was how idiots from the Iranian diaspora were platformed to manufacture consent.

    The regime in Iran is awful, like, duh.

    Unfortunately the Iranian diaspora people who were platformed seemed to believe it was a case of simply flicking a switch to replace the regime were utterly clueless that it was not actually that simple and they were also clueless of the horror the US and Israel would inflict on the population of Iran.

    The most basic mistakes of 2003 made again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,315 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Interesting as it is majority Shia. The most recent poll I could find (2023) found show differing opinions on Iran, along sectarian lines but overwhelming opposition to a US strike on Iran among both Sunni and Shia.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭goldsparkle


    I thought Trump said yesterday the war is over yet tonight on the news the American government were talking of more airstrikes in Iran. Anything that comes out from Trumps mouth is cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    I suspect Bahrainis have different opinions after this attack on civilian housing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Trump would be leaving Bibi high and dry if he does quit now, so had to u turn again.



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