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Random EV Thoughts 2 - The Jimnying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    I do, so I get significant clipping once the batteries are full.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    I’ve driven many EV’s. Have bought 2 since 2021. Currently have 1 EV and one ICE. The EV does the big miles as it’s cheaper to run obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Well as a result, I’m really not getting your argument at all (and yes, I don’t really want a back/forth either) -we’ll agree to differ, although I’m not sure what were differing over 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    A friend just bought his first EV. He did a Dublin-Galway return the next day and was wondering afterwards why it took so long for him to make the move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    I don’t think there is any major difference of views here. I agree there is no longer any reason for most (not having a driveway or dedicated charging space probably a key one) not to consider a new or used EV when changing their car.

    The point I was trying to make that it is not possible for every ICE owner to move to a used EV to avoid high fuel prices. There simply isn’t enough used EVs on the market yet. It will take a long number of years yet for this to become a reality. As a result hundreds of thousands of ICE drivers will have no choice but to suffer the burden of these increases



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,205 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I love Richard Symons videos. Genuinely shows that EV's can cover big mileages, day in day out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN



    “There simply isn’t enough used EVs”

    Well every ICE owner doesn’t want to or have to move to EV-so there doesn’t have to be one for everybody in the audience

    Some are quite happy with what they have; great!

    some might have just purchased an ICE and are paying it back; - so even if they wanted to, funds don’t allow .

    some don’t need to go EV right now; - cost of ownership or changing doesn’t make sense either through low milage covered or whatever - brilliant !

    some may not like the concept of EV right now; fine, but I’d urge to educate yourself as it may save you money long term if the right choices are made


    and some can’t afford to change, whether they want to or not- these are in the unfortunate category and there’s not a whole lot that can be done.

    That’s all perfectly acceptable- there’s no argument there- but for those in the market for a car for the normal reasons anyone is in the market for a car- there hasn’t been a better time economically to switch to EV



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭crl84


    Most drivers that want an EV already have one.

    EV sales are at record highs. So unless you think that these new EVs are being bought by people who already have EVs, and their old ones are just disappearing into the ether, then this statement is demonstrably false.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    More news stories about record highs sales will get people on board.

    Theres a lot of drivers that want one but not a brand new one and still cant afford one of the current, modern generation. Or that just wont spend big money on a car.

    For me, that generation really started with the likes of the Kona/Niro/id3 around 2020 and you cant really get any of them in full EV for under 15k, but they're becoming more affordable. Won't be long until they are 10k cars and start being picked up by bargain hunters.

    Then youve id4, cupra born, ioniq 5 kind of things a few grand more expensive but still dropping....all great cars to start EV journey in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    As explained previously, note the words “Most” and “Want”. The majority of company car drivers selecting EV’s are being forced to do so, many of them would prefer another diesel but it’s no longer a viable option. No used EV’s are disappearing into the ether, if anything there is significant numbers of decent used EV’s coming from the UK/N.I and Japan. For somebody that can only afford/want a 10 year old/€5K car, it’s slim pickings currently if you want an EV.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,502 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Within the company car driving cohort there are different driver profiles. I find it hard to believe that the cohort for whom the car is purely a perk and not required to be used for a living are fondly looking into the windows of showrooms stocked with low-tech dirty diesel cars.

    Through any lens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    This is the issue. No matter how much some people might wish for all those dirty ICEs to be kicked off the roads now today, it’s just reality that it will take years for this to be achieved.

    Even in Norway with massively expensive incentives in place resulting in EVs making up the vast majority of new car sales for years now, ICE cars continue to make up the majority of total cars on the roads there.

    Patience, good things come to those who wait😀


    “As of early 2026, Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) vehicles—petrol and diesel cars—still make up the majority of the total passenger car fleet on Norwegian roads, estimated at roughly 1.8 million to over 2 million, despite electric vehicles (BEVs) becoming the dominant new car choice (over 90-95% market share) and representing about one-third of all cars currently in use”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,502 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Interesting pics. Genuine or 'assisted'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If there was any assistance it wasn't mine :)

    (I've added source links above)

    I googled for a bit to find some photos that confirmed my bias. I remember seeing a photo before of some city showing how in some famous city/street the transition from horse to motor car seemed to be slow at first, but once the transition started it completed very quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Tram is still very much the dominant form of motorised transport in the second picture - but most people are walking… Mass adoption of cars in Ireland was still 30 years or so away. Cars were expensive and Ireland was a poor country.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭zg3409


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    I have this on my Diesel Tiguan. The drain plug is on the side so oil squirts out sideways. You need to push the yellow tap in before you can turn it, and there is a large protective tray on the car so unlikely to get hit by road debris. Going well 8 years later. Oil change due tomorrow. The oil filter however is still a pain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Can't see this making it much further than Wexford town, if it ever does make it to Ireland. But it is a nice concept.

    https://newatlas.com/automotive/aptera-solar-ev-validation-assembly-line/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,763 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Human nature. The vast majority of people do not like change, are ignorant about different things and unwilling to learn. So very unwilling to adapt their behaviour until it has been long obvious that the new behaviour will be better for them. Most don't change until many people around them have made the same change. It is the way rewarded by evolution. You don't want to be the first to try something new and risk dying. And you don't want to be the last either, which is very unattractive

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I wasn't particularly in favour of EVs until i had a mk2 Leaf for work. I now own one (an EV, not a Leaf). Driving them changes peoples minds.

    That a lot of early ones looked like kids drawings of spaceships was a negative influence, but not the only onw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭wassie


    In fairness also, only in the last couple of years has the (like many major intercity routes) the charging infrastructure on the M6/M4 increased to a level that supports these commutes that help ease peoples anxiety, irrespective if they are perceived or real. Although at peak times the charging availability is still found wanting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Our most recent addition to the work fleet is a Renault scenic that charges on AC at 22kwh using the 3 phase work chargers....really good feature it has huge 87kwh battery will go from zero to hundred % in half a work day, the rest are at 11 and take longer even though batteries are smaller.

    Prob not that much demand for 22 AC charging but I think pretty good for using what is a shared charger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,490 ✭✭✭✭fits


    we found the 22 kw charging very handy in France as well on a rental EV.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Anois_


    Would you recommend an electric car for someone who would only have use of public charging?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Realistically, no. Massive pain in the arse and negates cost savings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I did it for first month or so in 2022, but realistically long term it would have been awkward back then.

    Possibly bit better now, but realistically much more hassle than an ICE car. Depends on circumstances though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    It depends really. For example I have a car that can go from 10-80% in 18 minutes and a fast enough dc charger 5 minutes from my house at a supermarket. .55c per kwh. The car would be fully charged before I finish the shopping, so there would be no inconvenience, and would take me anywhere from 450-600 kms. The cost for that would be €44. Subscriptions are available which could bring the cost down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭evftw


    Would that car X do that charging speed without a lengthy preheat, and can you trigger that preheat by demand before heading to the charger?



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