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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    because that’s what the 36,000 Iranians who were murdered by their regime wanted

    A regime that wants a theocracy, oligarchy and a world without human rights, where might is right and democracy and freedom are viewed as woke, something they been croaking about for decades

    And now putting to practice by attacking not only their population whom they want to keep under the boot {desire they share with the far left here} but now their neighbours

    Just because you hate America and Israel, and they sure deserve mountains of criticism doesn’t mean you should support mullahs who hate absolutely everything about our way of life and culture and make no secret of wanting us all gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I don't support them. Regular normal people can look at two sides fighting and look at their actions and see that they're both scumbags. America are scumbags, Israel are scumbags, Hamas are scumbags, and the Iranian leadership are scumbags.

    Yourself, and posters like SeanW, are fully attached to this idea that there are good guys and bad guys, like there are teams to follow. You see me having an issue with Israel and America and the seventeen brain cells in your head come together and in an epic moment of original thought, fart out the simplistic conclusion that I must support the mullahs. You get a little jolt of serotonin at coming up with this realisation, like you're detective Columbo, and take to your keyboard to share your findings.

    You're like a school boy who reads superhero comics. You can only think in black and white, goodies vs. baddies, my team vs. your team. If my brain worked like that and I was aware of it, you could not get it out of me with a baseball bat. I would keep my opinions to myself and daydream about Nenenyahu in his blue and gold cape uppercutting the ayatollah in his evil red cape out over the horizon with a puff and a trombone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Some commentary here about how the new supreme leader of Iran will be a hard liner like his father. It was Ali Khamenei who insisted that Iran will not develop or use nuclear weapons. So killing him was a supremely stupid move as well as a war crime. No one country has the right to enter another and kill it's leader. As for junior being a hardliner. How would you feel if someone murdered your parents, wife and one of your sons?

    Let's get one thing clear. The greatest danger to Israel was not Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis or Iran. It was Bibi. It's his batshit bonkers decision to go to war with Iran that has put the country's very existence in peril. Even if Israel does survive this war it is essentially only delaying it's own demise. A settler colonial project can only sustain if the settlers feel safe, new settlers want to come and those there don't want to leave.

    I was in Israel three times. The security on the ground was water tight. Outwith rockets and suicide bombers the people were safe and felt secure. The 12 day war and now the ongoing war has shattered that sense of security.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    I don’t see a single condemnation from you and the rest of Judeans people’s front cohort about Iranian regime attacks on neutral neighbours

    In fact just like the murder of the 36,000 protesters all I see are continued deflection, downplaying and distracting via whataboutery of this regimes crimes past and present despite being widely reported upon across media both left and right

    on the other hand I have repeatedly made it clear the two sides in this conflict are terrible, with the precedent of neutrals being attacked having major repercussions for us in Ireland



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Will0483


    Regime change. Funny all of you lefties supporting a regime that killed tens of thousands of protesters last month. Trump derangement syndrome is very real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Will0483


    It worked out perfectly for them there so why change?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Will0483


    Just don't let any refugee boats dock anywhere in Europe. We have a large and growing navy. The last thing Europe needs is to be invaded further by 3rd world people bringing with them alien customs and behaviours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭Will0483


    I wouldn't worry about this new leader. He'll be dead in the next few weeks for sure. How many leaders have Hamas had recently?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    How do Israel and the US end the war? What is their off ramp? Is it even in their gift to end it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The war criminals beyond reproach or sanctions from European governments.

    Human Rights Watch on Monday accused Israel of “unlawfully” using white phosphorus over residential parts of a southern Lebanese town last week.

    “The Israeli military unlawfully used artillery-fired white phosphorus munitions over homes on March 3, 2026, in the southern Lebanese town of Yohmor,” the New York-based rights group said in a report.HRW added that it “verified and geolocated seven images showing airburst white phosphorus munitions being deployed over a residential part of the town and civil defense workers responding to fires in at least two homes and one car in that area.”

    White phosphorus, a substance that ignites on contact with oxygen, can be used to create smokescreens and to illuminate battlefields.

    But the munition can also be used as an incendiary weapon and can cause fires, horrific burns, respiratory damage, organ failure and death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,213 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You need to look to history when it comes to regime change. I would love to have seen Iranian-instigated regime change earlier this year. I have no doubt that many thousands were murdered in the January uprising and it's an awful pity now that the uprising wasn't more successful. I always felt the Iranian people would try again later this year when they got organised. It was also a follow-on from the massive protests following Mahsa Amini's death in 2023. There is clearly massive anger towards the repressive regime. We had our own uprising in 1916, it took 5 more years to get independence. These things often take time.

    To reiterate the point, it's an awful pity that people power didn't overthrow the regime in their bloody uprising because a regime change facilitated by Israel/US will be far far more complex that an Iranian-only instigated regime change. Iran has a long history of foreign intervention (Britain, Russia, USA) and that shapes political psychology today. Many Iranians are strongly nationalist and foreign backed regime change (especially by Israel!) will have a massive stigma. There will be a political vacuum if the regime falls and I am sure there will be many "factions" that want to take power. A successor authority could be tainted by association - puppet of USA, proxy of Israel etc. Perception is often crucial. Israel just committed a genocide against muslims in Gaza, they are despised. Israel helped train the Shah's secret police (Savak) which was also hated and brutal. The Shah was seen as a brutal western-backed regime too. It led to the 1979 revolution. That foreign takeover narrative would also be very useful to the hardliners in the old regime (e.g. Revolutionary Guard) who may see opportunities in the power vacuum. Any successor authority/government will face huge legitimacy problems inside Iran and holding power could be difficult. Iran is also a huge diverse country so there is a massive risk of fragmentation with regional, ethnic, religious and political fault lines.

    There are historical parallels. Most recently Iraq's government struggled very badly after 2003 with legitimacy after the US led overthrow. Afghanistan after 2001 had persistent legitimacy problems tied to foreign backing. Who runs Afghanistan now? Don't get me started on the US instigated regime change in South America and the Far East. It never works out.

    And let's face it. Israel/US do not care about the Iranian people. They only care about the oil and Israel's expansion.

    But "lefties" is also a great argument.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Do you mean anti-semitic?

    You have misrepresented my posts to your own ends. There are very strong zionist lobby groups in the UK while they still put out a narrative of having to flee from the UK to the US. Thankfully judicial independence provides humanists with some legal protection from the zionist lobbies. What do you think of Israel using chemical weapons in Lebanon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nobody needs to look in any mirrors. Either the U.S. and Israel deliberately targeted children in a school or they didn't. Your desperately wanting this to be true doesn't mean it is true. As yet I have not seen any evidence to suggest they did this deliberately.

    Edit: I already responded to this….didn't realize



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Trump declares victory after killing an 86 year old Cleric.

    Bibi rings him crying screaming he thought they were besties.

    Iran pushes further into secrecy and develops a nuke, whilst arming itself to the teeth. Furthers it's relationship with China.

    The Middle East remains a tinder box.

    Trump declare war on dolphins and wind mills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    You are not neutral if you host a country's bases or fleets.

    America having bases, radar systems, or fleets etc. in Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Israel, Oman, Egypt, and Djibouti, all close to Iran, directly impacts the willingness and ability of America to support Israel and join its attacks on Iran. In fact, according to Rubio, America had to pre-emptively attack Iran because they knew Iran would attack those assets. How can America have to protect assets in all of those countries yet you still claim those countries are neutral? Are the assets there or are they not?

    This is like Ireland hosting a Russian base and Russia using it to attack NATO. You are like a Belarusian crying on the internet about NATO attacking Ireland claiming Ireland is neutral.

    It is Western exceptionalism to believe you are allowed to surround your enemy with bases and the hosting nations of those bases somehow remain neutral. Most of those countries themselves admit they work with America and consider them allies, but you don't believe them.

    And people don't like to admit it but it's the same in Europe. They like the narrative that Russia is just evil, and Putin is in fact evil, but it is also a fact that by allowing US bases and missiles and assets to surround Russia on our land, we have put ourselves in the middle of a geopolitical fight between those two superpowers. The GCC does the same by hosting America, guaranteeing a perpetual problem with Iran. If America ever attacks Russia, especially using European bases, how can the European countries hosting them hope to avoid being attacked by claiming neutrality? They just can't. When you host bases, you tie yourself to that country for better or for worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,437 ✭✭✭brickster69


    They just fired a precision guided missile and it accidently hit a school of kids, then 40 minutes later another precision guided missile hit the exact same school when ambulances and everyone were picking up the pieces of schoolkids.

    It is what these regimes do in conflicts, if they think half a million kids being killed is worth it, why would they care about 160 ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5xL_6_GlU4

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    I see yet again you are unable to condemn the Iranian regimes attacks on neutrals

    Azerbaijan does not host US fleets or airforce or even lets them refuel. Their president offered condolences at the Iranian embassy only for his home town to be attacked the very next day

    Dubai is nowhere anywhere near military bases nor contains 90 story residential American military bases or 7 star world famous us military hotels

    The hypocrisy of the far left continuing to excuse attacks {some on this thread were openly gleeful! And one was even openly giving out at citizens of this country who found themselves in a war zone under attack} on neutral states who went way out of their way to distance themselves from deplorable Trump and Israeli regimes and not give em any permissions or help while harping on about Ireland’s neutrality is equal parts hilarious and sad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Trump has gotten himself into an almighty mess. Allowed himself to be talked into attacking Iran by that **** Netanyahu and the religious nutcase Neocons within his administration and with no out plan, bar one where there was supposed to be a total collapse of Iran within days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Interesting article.

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/washingtons-war-on-iran-a-strategic-gift-to-russia-and-china/

    For Israel, Iran is not simply another adversary. It is the state that sits at the center of a regional balance Israel has long sought to break. Tel Aviv’s ambition is not merely security in the narrow sense; it is supremacy. It seeks uncontested hegemony, strategic dominance over Arab capitals, and access to a region whose wealth and political geography it hopes to reshape in its favor. A weakened or shattered Iran would remove the most formidable obstacle to that project.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Fine, I condemn Iran's attacks on neutral entities such as Azerbaijan. My posting that is completely irrelevant in the context of almost all of the conversation in this thread, which is focused on America and Israel starting a war with Iran and the fallout of that on Europe and how it might play out in the Middle East.

    Posters are not required to add disclaimers to all of their posts where they condemn every side for every wrong action. It was the same in the Gaza thread where criticism of Israel without matching criticism of Hamas was taken by dishonest cranks as support for Hamas. It's a comfort blanket. You tell yourself that we who do not continually condemn Iran for their actions must obviously support them and are therefore more evil than the people who kill tens of thousands of children.

    The reason Israel and all of this is so contentious is that they are supported by our governments. People are riled up because these things are being done by our "allies". We don't feel the need to constantly condemn the other side because it's automatic and assumed. No one here supports Iran killing its protestors. No one here celebrates October 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Is “fallout” some sort of euphemism like collateral damage was for neocons twenty years back for attacks on innocent and neutral parties?

    interesting choice of word in the context of how this war started



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,627 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    As has been pointed out to you countless times before critcism of Israel's genocide comes from across the political spectrum. You want to frame it as coming from the left exclusively because you don't like the idea that it comes from people who also share your right wing ideology. I see you are still content to engage in anti semitic tropes to try and shields criticism of Israel- the idea that Jews have a hive mind that by default agree with the actions of the state of Israel. Also that any criticism of the state of Israel is an antisemitic witchunt. Who knew you'd have something in common with Kremlin apologists who also characterise the critcism of their war against Ukraine as Russiaphobia. It's funny how defenders of wrongdoing share this commonality . It's even funnier when you would denounce Russian apologists for doing exactly what you do. Sean w the poster who denounces Russia for allegedly committing Genocide, while jumping trough hoops to defend Israel who are formally accused of it. I will say one thing for you your mental gymnasts routine is worthy of full marks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    I don't 'desperately want' the motivations behind the murder of over 100 children to be true, it's clear to anyone with a moral compass what happened. The fact that you are more interested in engaging in hand wringing about this rather than talking about the dead children and staff in the school says a lot about you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I mainly meant refugees in the future and a worsening energy crisis at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Which makes it more important for us that Iran respects neutrality and not attack everyone around them and neutral shipping in the gulf like they have repeatedly done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What do you want me to say about dead children? I think pretty much everyone thinks what happened was awful

    The point that you seem to not even want to entertain, for whatever reasons, is that maybe the U.S. and Israel did not deliberately do this. It comes across as you wanting it to be them doing it deliberately, and feck any actual proof or evidence…that to me is odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,213 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Did Israel target children in Gaza? Snipers, starvation, schools/hospitals, neonatal facilities, aid blockades, dehydration, refugee camps, lack of medicines?

    (No response expected this time either)

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Or you know, don't start a war with them during negotiations, twice.



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