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Saorview Changes - 2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,526 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    We're far less reliant on DTT than the UK so it's a possibility that we'd abandon it first. But that's because of our extensive adoption of cable and satellite, the latter of which is also on borrowed time. Whether that will transfer over to IPTV is anyone's guess, but we have very good broadband penetration here now thanks to the NBP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Saorview via DVB-I is the next step.

    Access Saorview seamlessly via the aerial or IP. Many households can't or won't install an aerial, so IP delivery is a no brainer. IP delivery via fibre or wireless.

    A closed mini trial was planned for late last year with a broader public trial this year. No information on this in the public domain right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    It doesn't matter whether Saorview is delivered over IPTV or not, 8 or 9 channels ( leaving out +1s etc), won't entice anybody, people will continue to go to the pay operators for choice, HD, sports, movies etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Even the BBC and ITV are struggling to hold on to what free-to-air live sport they have left. Talk of a sports channel on Saorview is completely fanciful

    ITV are now putting on ads DURING 6 Nations rugby matches

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,585 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    IMHO people expecting more Saorview channels of any worthwhile sort should ask Santa Claus.
    RTÉ announced a €30M tender for their player. I would take that as a clear sign of intent. Terrestrial transmission is an expensive way of doing things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    This is a delivery change not a content change.

    But it might lead to extra FAST content, with LCNs, delivered via IP.

    For example RTÉ has added RTE ISL as a channel on the RTE Player (online version), this in future could be a FAST channel with its own LCN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    That RTE and VM tried to sell those same ad spots during the 6 nations games and were unable to tells you more about the state of Irish broadcasting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yeccchh.

    TBH I'd hope that any Irish brand considering such a thing would be wary of the viewer reaction

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Why is it so expensive to add channels or even run channels like the +1. I’d have assumed (naively possibly) that all the infrastructure is running anyway even test channels are transmitting in some instances so were is the cost for just transmitting a +1 channel or pulling a channel of a satellite feed and retransmitting it in place of a test channel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Are the +1 all that expensive?

    VMTV2 and 3 are both profit making.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 168 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Do we really want all the +1s now adays since we have the TV Players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    so if all this comes to pass and no ‘free’ tv service is offered to the masses, there should be no television licence then I guess!? Streaming costs a packet ‘ for most ‘ and many people don’t want to go down that road.

    Post edited by Widescreen on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    It's possible traditional masts could be replaced by 5G/6G Broadcast with mobile frequencies allocated to broadcasting.

    WRC-31 could see the reallocation of UHF spectrum to mobile services long term with reserved spectrum for IP Broadcast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The entire cost is split between broadcasters in proportion to bitrate used, test channels and null bytes are not counted.

    It wouldn't be fair on the existing channels to say that the marginal cost of adding a new channel is practically zero so they should pay practically zero.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 CharlieSheehan2025


    Noticed on the Virgin Media Television channels on Saorview that the description of the programmes say HD, Is there any plans for VMTV to be made available in HD on Saorview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭Delta2113




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    The +1 channels need to go from all platforms. With streaming so prevalent, they are a dated concept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 168 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    That's what I was saying since we have the TV players. We don't need the +1s anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    The +1s are handy for sticking on the news or things like that an hour late. Also I know some older folk in my family use them quite a bit for example. I don’t see the issue with keeping them going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,508 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Some people want more channels, other people want to cull the ones we have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    If we were getting more channels and space was needed then that’s a more valid argument for getting rid of +1s. But if it’s getting rid of them for the sake of it then I don’t see the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,905 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    It's a them and us attitude.

    They have lots of streaming channels so they expect everybody else to have them as well.

    A sort of broadcasting NIMBYism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I see several storys in papers lately of how Sky and Virgin are in Trouble with subs due to dodgy boxes. Could FTA and Saorview services weather delivered through Aerials or Freely type services actually be saved by dodgy boxes as Studios and sports services may see traditonal broadcasting as a saver bet with a sure income stream?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What income stream?

    Advertising is dead, PVRs saw to that

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Doesn't really apply to sport though. People watch sport live and advertising costs reflect this.

    No getting around the ads on the streaming services either so I don't think its dead to be honest.

    It’s hard to see how sport can in general be viable on fta given the costs of rights but in general the dodgy boxes in my experience mean more people using saorview and freesat coupled with a dodgy box for sport etc. Rather then people getting call their content though a sub to sky etc.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 18,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    I'm new here (well in this area anyhow) so please go gently.

    I've used the RTE and Virgin Media players recently and they were pretty decent.

    Am I missing anything of value by not having Saorview?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    DVB-I? IPTV? Can't see that ever taking off… Too much of a delay, especially for live sport. Was at a friends house on Friday watching the Irish match. Kitchen TV was using saorview and the living room TV was using sky stream. Sky was over 2 minutes behind the saorview feed. Can't see IP ever replacing terrestrial

    If Virgin Media had their way they'd still be in black and white



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    That level of delay is not normal, well I’ve no experience of sky stream but the normal for streams (be they legal or illegal) is around 30 seconds. Doesn’t really make any difference once you aren’t in a scenario like you were which is very much an edge case.

    The fact streaming of live sport is so common already I don’t think it’s a big deal really to most. That’s not to say I want to see the end of saorview and freesat but neither are going to be providing premium sports coverage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    42 seconds is the delay.

    IPTV is the future ,will there come a time when saorview is switched off ?, by 2040 at the latest would by my prediction



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 168 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    We don't know yet. Just have to wait and see



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