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2026 F1 General Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,324 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Can a mod lock my season prediction thread? Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    For people who've used NowTV to watch F1 previously, how quick are they with adding replays?

    E.g. if I wake up at 8am will I be able to just stick on the full Australian GP qualifying / race immediately?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    I saw a report somewhere this morning, with Adrian Newey saying they visited the Honda factory in November and they were shocked at how unprepared they were and to find out almost none of the people from the previous Honda engine project were still there as they had moved on to other projects within Honda outside of F1.

    But… how could they not know that? It was heavily reported in the media several years ago. Honda pulled out of F1, they wound down the whole program. They then changed their mind and started a new program, from scratch and with different people involved. This was well known. I'm pretty sure I've posted on here last year that I expected them to be slow (albeit not this slow) for this exact reason - they were in the same boat as Audi and Red Bull in starting from scratch and it's only Mercedes and Ferrari who have continuity to build on.

    I find it insane that Aston Martin could have entered into such a vital agreement with Honda without realising what they were signing up for. They could have expected to be better than where they are for sure - they should be hitting the kind of targets Audi seem to be successfully hitting. But Newey specifically stated in a quote I read this morning that he was surprised that key people from the previous Honda engine program were not there. How could they not know that? They had to know Honda was building this new capability from scratch and it was always going to be a learning curve. This stuff should have been in their contracts. They should have been working closely together for years. How on earth could this be a surprise?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,794 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    It seems Newey overestimated his own talent to such a degree he didnt think the engine was that important? No one looks competent from this clusterfùck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    In what way?

    It would seem incredible that someone would deem an engine unimportant, so what is leading you to say that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    This is is a quote in the F1 media this morning:

    Newey says he and other senior Aston Martin figures only became aware of the inexperienced composition of Honda’s ‘new’ F1 programme “kind of November of last year”.


    “Lawrence [Stroll], Andy Cowell and myself went to Tokyo to discuss rumours starting to suggest that their original target power, they wouldn't achieve for race one,” said Newey.

    “And out of that came the fact that less people… that not many of the original workforce had not returned when they restarted.”

    The fact that they apparently didn't know basic details about the engine development until November shows an incredible lack of prioritisation and due diligence when it comes to the engine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,794 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The fact Newey seemed so utterly oblivious to the goings on at Honda mainly which is insane.

    And when he did realise how bad the engine was going to be could he not have compromised his design a bit to try an offset these vibration problems? Obviously its majority Honda at fault with that Red Bull Boxcar engine but the design must be adding to it given the demented level of vibrations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    The only way they could be this surprised is if honda lied to them about get the band back together and then couldnt do it. And that's possible.

    But if you shut a business, you expect everyone to leave and get new jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Maybe he did but he's not bragging about it now. He said he reckons its 5th best chassis. If he was bluffing, he could saynits the best chassis and blame it all on the engine.

    All in all, I'd say he's probably giving a fair assessment of the situation. I wouldn't accuse him of overestimating his ability. His ability has been proven plenty of times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,794 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    But when Honda decided to restart it you would assume they would get some of those key people back again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    well the deal was signed in 2023, so long before he had anything to do with it, before he could have had any input on contractual terms.

    And he has said the vibration problems did not appear in the dyno tests - at what point were engine manufacturers allowed to be the engine in a car and do real world tests to discover this?

    Also reported this morning that Merc and Red Bull also have a vibration issues, just much smaller.

    I genuinely don't know if or what design changes they could have made to alleviate the engine vibrating. My assumption would have been 'none' on the basis it is the engine vibrating and not the housing of it that is the issue. Are there any reports or information on line that points to where the design has failed the engine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Forza_Monza


    AM will most likely be bringing Honda to court imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭rock22


    "Given AMs huge financial backing, this is surely an utterly unacceptable situation for Stroll Sr - he must be spitting flames!"

    Not sure it is such "huge financial backing." AM are in trouble since Trumps tariffs and Stroll recently transferred $50m from the F1 team to AM , for the dubious lifetime rights to the AM name. Dubious , because if the team were to be sold it is unlikely they would want to retain the AM name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,574 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,794 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Maybe I was wrong to single out Newey it should be Lawrences job but I would have assumed Watanabe, Stroll and Newey would have all been operating in lockstep. So thered be no big surprise like this. But theres been an utter failure of communication.

    I dunno maybe theres nothing but given the insane vibration level compared to anyone else I was just thinking surely Newey could devise some small trick that might aleviate things slightly. It'd still be an utter dog but it might be a bit more driveable?

    Unlike Hispania or Williams when their cars were falling apart and held together by prayer Aston Martin aren't short money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,574 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    If nothing else it does show that having all the money in the world won't make you the best team.

    And being the best designer doesn't make you a good team principal either...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    what an utterly bizarre case.

    I've no doubt Newry thinks an engine is incredibly important, but the lack of oversight or even just partnership knowledge is incredible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,304 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    While bristled agaisnt thinking an engine was unimportant, it is a MASSIVE failing from Newry as Team Principle. Maybe no the sepecific engine issues, but how on earth was he only finding this out in November? Why was he not in Tokyo week 1 or week 2 into his employ at Aston Martin to check in with such a pivitol partner?

    Or did he go early, and Honda hid and lied to him? Its possible, but no reports of it.

    If he just concentrated on Design, and didn't worry about understanding where Honda were at with the Engine until November, quite frankly he should be sacked. IMO it is unacceptable for a Team Principle to have been so narrow focused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Capra


    Watching the onboards and my god what are these shyte regulations? The cars are losing acceleration about 5 seconds before the braking point on the back straight. Its absolutely pathetic to watch. It doesnt appear to be much of a driving challenge for the drivers either. Id say Monza and Baku could be seriously embarrassing.

    I think this season could do irreparable damage to the F1 brand. Its new found popularity in the USA is a bit of a fad and fads dont last once the hype dies down. They also have betrayed their roots a lot over the last few years so I can see a major downturn in its popularity coming. As a lifelong fan I am only really interested in how this season plays out because I think it could be a complete and utter disaster.

    Literally everyone warned them the power units would be like this and they still persevered with the regs. The mind boggles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    It could be possible they bring in a TP and Newey "steps aside" to focus on the design and development of the car. I always felt he was keeping the TP seat warm for someone coming in they haven't announced yet (Horner?).

    I keep expecting this to be some kind of bluff or version of sandbagging, where they go "oh yeah we fixed it" and they are up running with the top 3. But the times in FP are telling the real story.

    I see AM qualifying in the bottom two places (or starting from pit lane) and both recording DNFs for this race.

    Poor Alonso.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    the car company (AM Lagonda) and the F1 team are two completely separate legal/corporate entities, with I assume the same largest shareholder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    It’s hard to disagree but let’s see Sunday morning. The TV directors have always been good at filtering out lift&coast over the years but this is way worse - they slow so much it’s like they have an issue.

    It might aid some more overtakes, this circuit had just 17 overtakes last year



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,556 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Read that earlier…

    Yet Newey says he and other senior Aston Martin figures only became aware of the inexperienced composition of Honda’s ‘new’ F1 programme “kind of November of last year”.

    “Lawrence [Stroll], Andy Cowell and myself went to Tokyo to discuss rumours starting to suggest that their original target power, they wouldn't achieve for race one,” said Newey.

    So much of this story is unbelievable. So the top three men in AM hop on a plane only last November because of rumours they heard about their own engine partner. Rumours?? Were they not in regular contact with Honda all the way back to 2023 when signing with them? Seeing how they were progressing etc? Actually, did they not do much due diligence before signing with them?

    They only decide to see for themselves four months before the start of the new season. That is some incredible lack of management - Lawrence and whomever else below him that was in charge of the F1 team since 2023 onwards are mostly to blame. Whitmarsh? Cowell? For sure Newey should also have done more as soon as he joined in March, 8 months before the trip to Honda HQ. Incredible.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,556 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Probably you've seen these onboards already, depressing stuff.

    But, Melbourne is supposed to be one of the worst tracks for it so let's see how bad things are at other tracks. It's still **** regardless of track ofc, having to slow the car down to make sure you don't run out of battery. In F1. The pinnacle of motorsport… Anyway, I'm telling myself we'll still get some sort of excitement, I hope. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,324 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    20260306_163858.jpg 20260306_163744.jpg

    ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I will say, these cars look a real handful and look far better on track.

    Their acceleration out of the corners is insane as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Capra


    Ive seen some of his other videos but none were as bad as that. 57kph reduction before braking!!!! 😯 WTF?

    That is insane. I think this is by far the worst Formula in the 76 year history of the sport. Its not even close really. I cant think of any sport that has ever shot itself in the foot like this before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Capra


    Are they really a handful or is it just the drivers getting used to them? I remember the first ground effect car session and the cars were all over the place too. Alonso said he thought the team chef could drive these cars as the energy harvesting is by far the most important aspect of them. It probably doesnt make sense to drive these cars to their limits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    I thought they did a good job with the last rule change re letting cars follow closer through corners, not totally wrecking the tyres and overheating the engines when following close. We didn't have the engineers telling the driver to back off and manage the race all the time instead of being able to attack.

    It feels like they've changed to the driver's having to manage every lap.

    Hopefully I'm wrong, I hope the mid field can stay within a pit stop window of the front runners, keep the strategy calls a bit interesting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,262 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    "think this season could do irreparable damage to the F1 brand. Its new found popularity in the USA is a bit of a fad and fads dont last once the hype dies down. They also have betrayed their roots a lot over the last few years so I can see a major downturn in its popularity coming"

    I really hope you are right. F1 would then have to cut back on the amount of races and go free to view again to get fans back. Only right. Quality over qantity.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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