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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Danye


    Work ethic and physical strength does not elevate someone to be a master craftsman. No doubt it’s a tough job and an important job but it’s a basic job that most people would be competent in after a few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You're supposed to post controversial opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭The Subliminal Verses




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Usually, I wouldn’t feed trolls but the below is just off the top of my head.


    Crime: Certain types of crime such as drug dealing and robberies are actually quite market driven and depend on whether there are other people also committing the crime. If you deport all the immigrants, the small percentage of them that commit crimes would probably just have their activities carried out by Irish people. For example, if you deported an immigrant who had been selling drugs, some Irish gouger will just take over selling those drugs.
    Housing: what’s outrageous about immigrants accepting social housing? It’s very common for Irish people to refuse an offer of a house because of where it is. People who live in poverty require family help more than others because they can’t afford childcare so they need their parents to be close. Someone from West Dublin is not gonna accept an offer of a social house in Donabate when it could be a two hour public transport journey to get to your mam’s house to drop off the kids. A Bangladeshi immigrant family on the other hand don’t have any friends or family in Ireland and don’t know anything about neighbourhoods so they will just accept whatever they’re offered. There’s nothing to be outraged by, this is just about who is most ready to move into the house first.
    Hospitals: we’ve been relying on immigrants for our nurses for decades because of the spiral the industry is in where hours are long and wages are low and conditions are much better in Australia. No reason to believe large numbers of patients are immigrants either.
    Traffic: the major congestion on the M50 is related to whether people think there’ll be congestion when they get there so it tends to be self limiting. Right now many people avoid the M50 because it’s congested. If you deported immigrants, this would make a little difference as most of them don’t own cars but even so any extra space freed up will just be filled by more Irish people driving so you’ll be back to congestion straight away.
    Schools: immigrants get priority in schools is news to me. There’s no shortage of school places except in a small number of areas. I applied to 5 schools for my son and he was accepted into all five of them and I live in Dublin. Your comments about IQs are not worth answering.
    Jobs: if you deported immigrants many of whom are supplying other immigrants with services or products, this would not reduce unemployment for Irish people. Mickah Wallace from Finglas who is in his late 20s and hasn’t worked a day in his life is not on the dole because immigrants took his job, he just doesn’t want to work. 
    Social welfare: very few immigrants on the dole and any doctors or engineers obviously would like to practice their profession here because it would pay so much more than the dole, clearly there’s some kind of labour market barrier going on and not them being workshy. Any Ukrainians travelling back to Ukraine are probably trying to assess whether their apartment has been bombed and to check up on family members who are still over there. They can’t move back home until that’s all sorted so they’ll be going back-and-forth between Ireland and the Ukraine until then.


    Every economic analysis that has ever been done worldwide shows that immigrants are a net contributor to society. Go and look this up. Don’t use Denmark’s extremely generous welfare state as an example, ours is far less generous and keeps you on the bread line with no guarantee of public housing.


    Ireland’s problems are the lack of ability to scale with increased demand. If we had no immigrants, we would just have the very same problems except with only Irish people involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Danye


    It’s more the aim of following their prophet who was a child rapist, a murderer, a slave trader and oppressor of woman that I would have issue with.

    But no doubt I have taken that out of context.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Meanwhile Catholicism has engaged in a large scale cover up across the globe in relation to paedophilia. On top of that they've made far more of an effort to limit the rights of women legislatively in Ireland. So want Catholicism to be banned too, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    If all economic figures indicate immigrants are a net benefit how come the only study made public was the Danish one which showed that only immigrants from OECD countries were a net benefit. If it was true that all immigrants were a net benefit surely you'd have lefty parties putting out study after study over and over again showing this to be the case but of course they don't.

    One way to deal with immigration is that if you are allowed in you will never receive any state support of any kind. No social housing, you must have private health insurance, no unemployment benefits, no state pension. Aren't able to live under those conditions then you don't get to come here. A policy like this would keep people opposed to immigration happy be disincentivizing it but still give people the option to arrive here if they wanted. It would be a win win policy for everyone

    If immigrants are so incredibly beneficial as you claim then people like yourself would have absolutely no problem agreeing to those conditions as part of immigration policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Obviously yes..banning Catholicism and building mosques is silly..Just ban them all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You can't seriously compare these two. Even as you say it yourself, the bad deeds were covered, not worshiped.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6quxPfGX-yo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    People are incapable of naming one country that has benefitted from the spread of Islam (because there isn't one) yet oddly they are quite happy to have it spread in Europe and be pandered to. They point out the harm other religions have done around the world and then oddly use this as justification for why Islam should be tolerated, when surely the more sensible idea would be if one religion has caused harm it's probably not a good idea to allow another one any foothold in a country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Agreed.

    Get rid of all religions in every country.

    Lets start with the biggest one in this country, the RCC. Abolish all churches, defrock all priests, take their land back into ownership by the state and redevelop it all.

    Once done, we'll tackle the Protestants, the Jews, the Orthodox Christians, the other branches of Christianity, the Hindus, the Pentecostals and then the Muslims……….Deal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Or maybe start with the most recently imported and the most problematic of them all, and finish with the one who gave us modern Europe - that Europe that allows us to have this conversation in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I'm ok with that, although I'd like the churches preserved due to their nice architecture and historical significance, they could be used as community centres going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    That would be an attack on peoples basic human rights. There should always be a distinction made between Muslims who don't force their opinion on others and the lunatics that go to great lengths to force Islam on others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Diddly Squat


    Which religion gave us modern Europe and how did it do so, I want a detailed answer because I'm stumped as to which one it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 shinnerbot09


    That's possible of course , i would never underestimate the greed and low cunning of a solicitor , but there is year in year out changes to the laws of the game to reduce and prevent injuries , i think they have mouth guards that measure impacts now and if its too high the player gets called aside , NFL just wanted the slobber knocker moments for tv and never did any of that ,

    Over all people like sports that push you the extremes of your ability's , and that's dangerous but so is crossing the road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 shinnerbot09


    probably not a practical idea but id be in favour of the restriction of the spread of Religion, all of them.

    Christianity destroyed many areas of the world now Islam is trying its best to do the same to the west

    if you want to talk to you imaginary friends sod off home and do it in your own bedroom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Definitely a case to be made for not allowing any new religious buildings to be constructed and existing ones not allowed to be converted from one religion to another.

    Proselytism (for non Muslim religions) is banned in pretty much every single Muslim country so no reason why it shouldn't be banned in Europe aswell and just ban it for all religions including Christianity.You want god you'll find it in your own way you don't need to be converted to it by someone else.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Your first paragraph is fantasy stuff.

    Your second makes no sense. That is loss loss for everybody. Why would we discriminate like this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    First paragraph is accurate.You just want to pretend it isn't.For example 81% of Somali immigrants in Minnesota get some form of welfare, this compares to 21% of Native born Minnesotans, how the hell is that a benefit to Minnesota as a state or America as a country?

    How is it a loss loss. It means immigrants who are productive and know they will have jobs all the time arrive whereas those who aren't won't bother trying to come. Productive immigrants in work all the time who pay taxes and don't take from the welfare system are a bonus for a country, with a system which restricts immigrants entitlement to social welfare it means only a high calibre of immigrant who knows they will be in work all the time will arrive.

    People have no entitlement to live in whatever country they choose if they want to emigrate that's fine but they should have no entitlement to take from the welfare state of their new country and certainly none for a very long time in the new country.Not a single social house should be provided for any immigrant in any country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 never_ends


    The Islamic population of a non-Islamic country should never top 5% if that country wants to remain a generational secular democracy and is smart.

    Ireland is at 1.6%, UK at 6%, according to some stats. France 10%. Germany 7%. Sweden 5%.

    At 5% you experience ghettos, attacks, political movements and protests, riots. 10% demographic change.

    Its a social and political system in its own right, it has no time for any other system, these are merely man-made and worldly, whereas their system is divine and destiny, gods will.

    There is only 1 way and the final goal is a global caliphate and nothing less. Secular democracy and other beliefs are mere obstacles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭Arseboxing


    This is a description of the MAGA cult, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Danye




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If you deport all the immigrants, the small percentage of them that commit crimes would probably just have their activities carried out by Irish people. For example, if you deported an immigrant who had been selling drugs, some Irish gouger will just take over selling those drugs.

    dey tuk r crime jobs

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The most problematic religion in Ireland is far and away Roman Catholicism. It's not even close.

    The notion that religion gave us modern Europe is stupid and false.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You very ignorantly and conveniently ignore that benefits are paid to those who pay PRSI and are in employment. Or do you want immigrants to pay PRSI and not be entitled to illness benefits or old age pension in return?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 shinnerbot09


    What a novel point of view ,

    all those churches and cathedrals in every city and town in Europe ,the great works of art . the renaissance, the political policy of every state and kingdom up until the last 50 or so years , even legal oaths referencing Christianity have nothing to do with religion ,

    well i ll be

    like it or not , for better or worse , Christianity has shaped and formed the world around you for the last 1500 or so years, denying that is like saying water isnt wet or boards is full of bots



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You skipped The Enlightenment period. It's probably responsible for most of the things we enjoy today and it was based on skepticism, not Christianity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    They dont get the benefits until after a very long time of paying . So if they pay PRSI for 30 years they can get their pension.

    People are not entitled to anything from a country particularly one they are not from originally, they dont like that then they dont come here .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 shinnerbot09


    Apologies , I thought that it would be self evident the link between the learning and education centers in monasteries and church's that funded facilitated and spurred the development of medical engineering and cultural progress. Mostly but not only via Church founded and financed collages and schools, the language of learning up until 100 years ago was Latin

    Of course enlightenment in the Americas would have nothing to do with Christianity . in god they trust and all that



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