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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Earlier in the thread there were attempts to downplay the murder of 36000 people saying there is no confirmation and I pointed out that unlike Gaza NGOs are not permitted to operate in Iran {and independent journalists are jailed or hung} so how does one get independent confirmation?

    Journal is also reporting on what the Iranian regime claims but they made it clear that it’s a claim by Iranian state media



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    It's sad that this is the effective end of diplomacy with Iran. Getting bombed twice during negotiations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Tucker Carlson seems one of the few sane voices on the right in the US. He has been warning repeatedly for weeks that that gangster Netanyahu is effectively now in charge of US foreign policy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Of course - "the fog of war" and undoubtedly there is a risk of any report(s) being just propaganda. Just like "beheaded babies".



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Tucker Carlson is not sane and it is dangerous and stupid to think he is just cause he happens to agree with you on one particular topic.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    He is 100% right on this, irrespective of what he says on other right wing topics. He has been warning that the US's relationship with Israel is absolutely toxic and that the big cheerleaders for Israel and for war in the administration are all barking mad.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    A source that could have easily been included with original claim instead of (not you) playing silly games about it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Not verified but Israel

    A local official has told state-run IRNA news agency that 40 people were killed in an Israeli strike on a girls' primary school in Iran’s southern Minab county in Hormozgan province on 28 February. 

    Governor Mohammad Radmehr said that 48 others were wounded and the death toll from the attack on the Shajareh Tayyebeh girls' school was rising.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    If they can get those Chinese missiles to sink carriers then that'd be a nice touch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Was this attack necessary? Was there an off ramp before this happened but it was ignored??

    https://theconversation.com/iran-has-been-attacked-by-us-and-israel-when-peace-was-within-reach-277175

    US and Iranian negotiators met in Geneva earlier this week in what mediators described as the most serious and constructive talks in years. Oman’s foreign minister, Badr Albusaidi, spoke publicly of “unprecedented openness,” signalling that both sides were exploring creative formulations rather than repeating entrenched positions. Discussions showed flexibility on nuclear limits and sanctions relief, and mediators indicated that a principles agreement could have been reached within days, with detailed verification mechanisms to follow within months.

    These were not hollow gestures. Real diplomatic capital was being spent. Iranian officials floated proposals designed to meet US political realities – including potential access to energy sectors and economic cooperation. These were gestures calibrated to allow Donald Trump to present any deal as tougher and more advantageous than the 2015 agreement he withdrew the US from in 2019. Tehran appeared to understand the optics Washington required, even if contentious issues such as ballistic missiles and regional proxy networks remained outside the immediate framework. Then, in the middle of these talks, the bridge was shattered.

    Sensing how close the negotiations were — and how imminent military escalation had become — Oman’s foreign minister, Badr Albusaidi, made an emergency dash to Washington in a last-ditch effort to preserve the diplomatic track.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Oh I 100% agree with you.
    If one makes a claim?
    One should at the very least lay out either the source of it, or their logic for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    On this single issue he is right as Tucker always has a finely tuned populist radar as was recently discussed here

    That still however does not make him any less of a far right MAGA scumbag who has used his platform to push some ever more extreme issues and conspiracies into the mainstream narrative

    There is now a split in MAGA on a wide range of issues proving the horse shoe theory of politics that if you far enough out on their extreme you come a full circle

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,553 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    For anything, as far as I can see. You seem to do a lot of batting for them in any thread there is mention of them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    In that message above under "And dont forget" - I said "Rebirth of and/or resurgence of ISIS type organisations"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I wouldn't disagree at all but he is at least doing some service by drawing attention to the US's relationship with Israel. The MAGA pro-Zionist crowd have been in total meltdown every time he strongly criticises Israel and Netanyahu - is it purely a coincidence that support for the regime appears to be in freefall? A new Gallup poll yesterday said that Americans now have more sympathy for the Palestinian people than they do for Israel.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,288 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    What this proves, for the hard of learning, is that you cannot trust Israel or the USA in peace efforts. They were planning the execution of the attack at the same time they were stringing everyone along about peace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,288 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I note the zionists are quick to defend Israel and the USA with their 'Iran claims… '



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The escalation path here is clear and Iran's mullahs are responding to what they can only see as an existential threat to their rule.
    The offer of amnesty to IRGC & Regime members who lay down their arms?
    Is an effort to encourage those wavering in support of the regime to switch sides.
    Doing so whilst bombing every target the US/Israelis can reach?
    Will only reinforce the hardliner's resolve to hang on.

    The Mullahs will seek to launch every missile they can.
    The escalation will IMHO be quicker and more calibrated than last June's efforts.
    The Iranian IADS seems to have once again not been a factor in countering the opening salvoes.
    Whether the performance of their defensive measures can improve or even survive against the US DEAD measures?
    Is at best questionable, I'd hazard the recently delivered Chinese SAM and radar equipment hasn't been operationalised and that in itself was a factor in the decision to strike.
    Better to hit Iran now, rather than allow them improve their defence.

    That means Iran's only defence?
    Is the unleashing of every ballistic, cruise and drone weapon they can launch.
    Hitting the US bases in the region and Israel.
    The US has surged Patriot and THAAD into the ME (Which answers part of the questions around missed deliveries to Ukraine).
    THAAD & SM3 & 6 are what the US is pinning supporting Israel's BMD on, in cooperation with Arrow & David's Sling there.

    In June, I wrote on this thread about the economic calculus of missile defence.
    At the peak of the 12 day and what was a far more limited/calibrated response by Iran was costing Israel up to $300 million a day.
    It also used about 950 various interceptors, less than a 100 of all the models US & Israeli have liky been built in the interim between then and now.
    If Iran can mass launch (more than 8 or so) at individual targets?
    The damage of the last few days of the 12day war will be an example of what might come.

    Pinning the hope for victory on the rising of the Iranians?
    Is a very risky strategy that will see thousands more of those people slaughtered.

    The US war reserve stocks are going to be rapidly impacted and I don't believe that they can sustain high intensity operations for more than a couple of weeks.
    In those 2 weeks?
    Every available ground target in Iran will be hit, there will be significant infrastructure destruction there, let alone the lives lost.
    But?
    Iran's underground & hardened storage facilities may well survive anything but MOP usage.
    That allows Iran to continue to threaten Israel & US bases and the cost of defending against that threat?
    Both in terms of needing to have aircraft over Iran in Scud hunting roles, and in cost of ballistic missile interceptors will quickly become unaffordable as well as quickly leading to congressional oversight of "War powers" of Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Yeh we are in broad agreement, I seen that poll and highlights how farther and farther away from reality Trump is departing

    I would still be vary of Carson and his history, he is a dangerous Kremlin funded snake whose agenda on some issues such as white supremacy and Russias colonial war are downright scary

    He also has a history of doing 180 degree U-turns so beware

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Israel doing what they do best, killing children.

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    For sure, some of his other views are repugnant, especially on immigration and race and Russia.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    didn't russia send warships to Iran and conducted military drills with Iran only a few days ago. Where are they now, obviously not a deterrent for the US now, Russia really has become a "paper tiger", another humiliation for Putin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Macron offering support to it's closest allies, parties to negotiate in good faith and Iran to end it's ballistic missiles.

    Why would they give up them means to defend themselves when they have been subjected to attack by the US and Israel twice in less than a year ?

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Carlson is worth paying attention to as a weather vane of a section of Trump's base on this Iran expedition but I wouldn't be giving him any compliments for anything he does.

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    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    So Israel have not managed to kill any of the regime and have taken out a school of kids.

    Things Israel are good at:

    - Killing Children

    - Harbouring American Pedophiles

    - Bobsleighing

    Actually they're not even good at the last one...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    In hiding, alongside Russian air defence tech which for the 5th? time in the last year in what must be 4th? country now, has proven to be as effective as wet paper towel

    And yet the Indians continue to purchase from them not having learned any lessons

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