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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah we are trying to have a reasoned debate and learn stuff but bored wants to label everyone rather than counter points. I voted FG for 20 years. Not anymore though.

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Didn’t stop you making accusations that I’m a trumpist only a few posts up despite not a single one of my posts supporting him and being quite the opposite

    There is clearly an overlap between the far left and the far right on many issues, and this is exposed the moment they start supporting and defending deplorable regimes and their actions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Of the small number of Iranian female acquaintances I’ve had, only one went conservative and took to the hijab. The rest seem to enjoy their freedom in the West and dress to the nines. Muslim women from Arab countries and Pakistan are more of a mixed picture. The more Westernized are often from ethnic minorities, eg Kurdish, Circassian.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    at no stage have refered or quoted or your posts, so apologies if you got wrong impression

    I was specifically refering to the posts higher up bending backwards to defend the Iranian regime which their own people are dying in their thousands to get rid off, when not busy attacking me by calling me trumpist despite most my posts being the exact opposite

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Historically Iran hasn't sought to have nuclear bombs. It goes against their theoracy. But the attack by Israel last year may have signalled a change in policy one which might be followed through with when Ali Khamenei dies. Iran should have nuclear weapons as Israel represents a live threat to it's security. They want to denude Iran of it's ability to defend itself and then turn Iran into many constituent parts ala Yugoslavia.

    Israel is a terrorist state and represents a danger to world peace. What's they done in Gaza is unconscionable. Netanyahu sees Trump as his last chance to have his war with Iran with the U.S doing the heavy lifting. He knows the Zionist lobby in the U.S. is losing ground at a pace.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Bullies only learn when someone hits them back. Iran will not attack first. When US and Israel attack, the effectiveness of Chinese missiles may be tested?

    A retired senior officer involved in regional operations said: “The chances that the United States will refrain from launching an attack are diminishing hour by hour.

    “The question is when the first strike will take place, what form it will take, and how extensive it will be.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Not looking good for peace if MoA is correct.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2026/02/iran-u-s-negotiators-block-progress-with-unreasonable-demands.html

    Looks like the UK will assist the slaughter. Hopefully the USA/ Israel won't use nuclear weapons.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Sorry, I wasn’t talking about this thread in particular. I should have made that clear.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The list of demands by the US is insane. No country could possibly agree to them - almost being issued with an ultimatum to permanently demilitarise themselves (and with very little evidence they have any plans to attack Israel or the US).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Iran has five nuclear-armed near neighbours, six if you count the American presence. None these countries have been reliable allies; some are deadly enemies. I suspect the Iranian government wants to keep break-out potential, which Japan has, so it could race to build bombs fairly quickly if it felt it had to.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    They’ve already suffered multiple assassinations at the hands of the Israelis and Americans. They’d be daft to disarm completely.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    There was 6xF35's which were in Irish sovereign airspace and 6-12 F-15s today, which will all forward onto Middle Eastern bases in prep for whatever is going to happen.

    Not saying Ireland could stop it by being a hindrance. But to say we're not complicit is not true.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Proxies, missiles and human rights seem to off the list of American demands. The nuclear program is the crux of the matter.

    Trump missed an opportunity to articulate in detail what his key goals with Iran are in the SOTU speech this week which is odd. He merely reiterated that they can’t have a nuclear weapon. He has not sought to persuade his voters that military action may be necessary.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    And who should be allowed the nukes then? The US? - not exactly the best idea given who is in charge (not that whats happening is new, its just more out in the open now).

    Pandora's box was opened when the first two were dropped, there was no coming back from that. If your going to play with fire and all that...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Nobody. Complete elimination of nuclear weapons. That's what Reagan and Gorbachev were discussing in 1985. They planned to do it over 10 years.

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    And your naive enough to believe Reagan wanted that or would allow that for the US?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Ukraine did get rid of all its nuclear weapons only to be invaded by allies of Iran

    with hundreds of Iranian drones flying all over the country night after night

    Iran won’t get rid of its nuclear weapons because they wanted and contributed to a world where laws and treaties don’t matter and might is right

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Look, you can rewrite history if you want. It was a real prospect in mid 1980s and people wanted it. It required deep global trust and mutual inspections.

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I'd love to engage with you (not really) but you make up lies when you're floundering so no thanks.

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Says the guy who instead of debating chose to call me Trumpist when all my posts clearly hate the deplorable

    In reply to a post of mine

    1. Discussing current events in a current affairs forum {not history forum} that Iranian killed 36000 of its own people protesting said regime this year alone, something the far left is hell bent on suppressing and excusing or even discussing
    2. Pointing out Iranian regime armed and enabled their ally in their colonial war of conquest, yet another crime the far left wants to distract and downplay as it highlights their hypocrisy
    3. Exploring the thesis that Iranian regime wanted a world without laws where might is right with their Axis of whatever, only for that leopard to turn around and eat their faces

    here you are again trying to draw people on a whataboutery historical tangent and depart from discussion of current events

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    A big worry is will Israel use atomic bombs against Iran. I expect Iran to hit Israel hard this time if it does kick off with the U.S. I think the strikes by the American's will happen this weekend. I think the pressure on Trump to attack is too great for him to resist. I see the negotiations as a charade. Both Kuschner and Witkoff are property developers not negotiators. I see it as a time buying exercise by the Americans who have proved not to be good faith actors in negotiations.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Big question is which countries are going to be stupid enough to allow planes to launch from or pass through. No idea on what percentage of the people in the region think but you would imagine at least 70% of people are against it. No surprise at all to see big uprisings in those that do.

    They have been warned, all US bases and assets in the region will be targeted. That will include commercial assets like investments in Gas and oilfields.

    Also the risk of people fleeing the region if it does go regional and no second guess where they will head.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes. These talks were just a smokescreen till the US got all of its assets in place. I suspect the Americans will be looking to bring a swift end to any conflict by launching a decapitation strike against the entire military and political leadership of Iran. If they do manage to achieve their aim then it would indicate Mossad and the CIA still have well placed assets inside Iran.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like a conflict has broken out between Pakistan and Afghanistan, Countries in the region urgently trying to calm it down.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If the Ayatollah is killed, it will be very interesting to see what Al - Sistani in Iraq does. As you hint there could a massive uprising among the Shia sect throughout the region

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    I am not sure it is appropriate for me to mansplain it to you, but since you asked. I am just stating facts, if you want to object, please provide facts, not your feelings. Here are the facts:

    Israel is the main military ally of the USA in the Middle East. Iran's main political goal, as stated by its leaders numerous times, is the destruction of Israel. Iran cannot send any significant number of its own soldiers to take over Israel. But it can and does send rockets to Israel. Israel has the most sophisticated and complete air defenses of any country (due to its tiny size), but even with that, they cannot destroy all incoming rockets. A single nuclear warhead can destroy half of Israel and kill most of its people (Palestinians included). On the other hand, Iran is a very large country and Israel would require 100+ nuclear bombs to achieve a proportionally genocidal response. So it is highly desirable for Israel to prevent Iran from having even one nuclear weapon. Also, since the orange clown is at it, why not ask him to destroy Iran's missile production as well? Two geese with one stone. That is what it is about. Any other questions I can help you with?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I talk about Qatar and Afghanistan on the topic of which countries we should play sport against. That you think that thread is purely about Israel is down to your narrow-minded narrow-focussed obsession.

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