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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    LOI clubs could suffer from punishments from UEFA such as fines, as it would affect some of their funding, along with expulsion from UEFA competitions, so yes it would matter to them and they still overwhelmingly support it not going ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Interesting survey

    If you had similar amongst actual Irish squad there might be something to it

    League of Ireland players opinions won't matter to FAI

    They have to fulfill the fixture otherwise the only thing that will happen if Israel will be delighted with 6 points for nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭argentum


    Hopefully a complete ban on away tickets sold for Dublin match to cut down on the risk of violence in and around the stadium

    I'd imagine anyone connected to the trip by the team will protest by refusing to deal with them in their own working area's

    So unload their own baggage at the airport and delay check in at hotel right through to delaying the team bus by blocking roads peacefully by ordinary people of Dublin

    Make their trip to Dublin a nightmare for them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    You totally overestimate how many people give a f**k about the Palestinians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Would any Jewish player want to play for Palestine? I think you are underestimating the racist / colonial / settler element here. The Palestinian football team would be considered bogus and illegitimate by 99.9% of Zionists - they claim that Palestine doesn't even exist and there is only one country in the region (including what we know as Palestine) and that is Israel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,627 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    My opinion is we shouldn't play any matches, friendly or otherwise , against nations and their political leaders who are before the ICJ and ICC. I' m not interested in whataboutism and deflection. It's striking that the people who are complaining about Israel being victimised are echoing the views of pro Russians who regularly accuse the EU of Russiaphobia. They too complain of a witchhunt/ being singled out. I recall the Russian Ambassador to Ireland accusing Ireland of it too, and offering Russian citizens advice on how to deal with it. It's funny how such paralells exist between those who seek to defend wrong doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Edwin Edogbo would definitely understand how that could happen. This kind of crap is not exactly unique to Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    For sure, there is racism everywhere, including Ireland but I don't people are fully aware just how racist a country Israel is. This idea of the country being progressive and liberal and tolerant is a myth - the relatively small numbers of Jewish Israelis who are not Zionist discuss this subject all the time, saying people would be appalled if they knew the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You got a source for that or is it just your opinion (that apparently conveniently fits your own narrative)? Seems to me there is a lot of Irish support for Palestinians and a lot of disgust for Israeli Genocide and war crimes.

    Certainly in Israel, your statement is true as evidenced by tacit approval of the extermination of 50,000 innocent women and children over the last 2 years. Plus additional evidence in the organised bus trips to Gaza to view the Genocide real-time whilst having a barbecue and a bop at the supplied pop up disco.

    I'd suggest the FAI simply applies the same rules that the Israeli FA will apply to the away fixture (assuming it is played in Israel).

    Certainly, any misbehaviour by fans should be dealt with by local security/police at the venues. Though I'd imagine an Israeli ejected from the Aviva would get much better treatment than an Irish fan in Tel Aviv. Simply recall the treatment of those attempting to deliver aid to Gaza and then arrested in International waters.

    I think the Irish dept. of foreign affairs will recommend avoiding the away fixture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Agreed - racist chanting at sports events (usually soccer) is not unique to Israel.

    Soccer thugs chanting avoid dead Palestinian children in Gaza, or "Gas the Arabs" is though.

    And bear in mind that the Israeli Govt. is currently discussing legislation that applies the death penalty for terrorism - but only for Palestinians. All the more remarkable that the leading proponent of the new law is Ben-Gvir - a convicted Terrorist and Racist.

    Israel is certainly unique on that score - hence why they are a World Pariah.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    You won't find me defending the settler mentality, you can be sure. Israel has a big issue there (in many ways) for sure. How you define "Zionist" would determine whether I agree or disagree with your assertion on numbers, but it's all off topic anyway.

    Unfortunately, it seems to be another very widespread phenomenon that football in particular seems to attract the small minority of any country's population that is ethno-nationalist / racist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Soccer thugs chanting avoid dead Palestinian children in Gaza, or "Gas the Arabs" is though.

    It's literally unique, but as I've pointed out before, Hissing at Spurs supporters (Representing the sound of the gas chambers) is pretty much the same thing.

    There's nothing unique to the behaviour of Israeli supporters that would merit them being picked out for special treatment compared to racist bigotry elsewhere.

    The rest of your post is off-topic, and due to Mod warnings above I won't be replying to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,331 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I agree that a survey amongst the Irish squad may be more relevant.

    But then the valid question would be, who is more representative of Irish sentiment on the issue, players who live and play in Ireland, or players who live and play outside it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    The away game is not being played in Israel, it's being played in Hungary.

    They have been playing home fixtures there for a few years.

    Ireland played Israel in Israel on Holy Saturday 2005.

    I know people who went to that game and really enjoyed their visit to Israel.

    I was at the return fixture in Dublin in June 2005, no trouble or anything, just a normal game.

    But I do recall in the aftermath the Israeli keeper getting lots of abuse for time wasting.

    They should have been abusing Brian Kerr instead, for going all defensive after going 2-0 up early on and then drawing 2-2.

    Actually here is a link to a post on the boards.ie thread about that game

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    As the below poll from the Irish independent shows Irish people aren't quite as obsessed with the issue as the media think.

    the media and activists class ae obviously well represented in the media themselves but they don't reflect general sentiment about the issue.

    Playing the game doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the war, all that'll happen is Ireland will lose 2 games without playing them Israel will get what they want ( an easy 6 points) and nothing will change.

    so essentially the people in favour of this are in favour of doing a big virtue signal so they can clap themselves on the back and congratulate themselves for all they've done for the Palestinians while actually not doing anything.

    Russia have been banned for 4 years and they're still pushing on with their war.

    The people who are advocating boycotting these games are very silent about playing against Qatar (a match we've chosen to arrange, not been forced to play by UEFA) who are hosting Hamas leadership who are responsible for just as much damage to the Palestinians as the Israeli's are. So in reality they aren't really doing so because they care about human right's they're doing so because they don't like Israel, if they cared about human rights you'd hear just as much call to cancel the game against Qatar.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,692 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Ireland forfeiting two games meaning potential fines and no chance of topping our group.

    Ireland play the two games, bring in revenue and have a chance of topping the group.

    As an Irish football fan yes it completely makes common sense.

    The only facilitating we would be doing is giving them 6 points and make it easier for them to top the group if we didn't play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,331 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    All of this is possible, no one is a aying otherwise.

    But it is not guaranteed.

    Poland refused to play Russia and ultimately Russia were banned by UEFA.

    That outcome is also a possibility here so.

    So given there's 2 possibilities, the common sense approach is still to oppose the state committing genocide. Unquestionably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I most certainly would not condone the Israeli supporters being singled out for anything. If they chant "Gas the Arabs", then I'd expect them to be ejected. If Irish fans "hiss" at the Israelis, then out they go too.

    I've provided supporting evidence for the inherent racism and apartheid in Israel that is reflected in the behaviour of Israeli football thugs. I'm sure there are Israeli football fans who abhor that behaviour. Just as there are many football fans who abhor those antisemites who "hiss" at Spurs games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The away fixture location is not confirmed.
    Israel want it played in Tel-Aviv. It will be up to FIFA to agree the venue - Israel or Hungary.

    Certain in 2005 Israel hadn't killed over 70,000 Palestinians in Gaza (as well as medics, journalists and aid workers of course) so it's hardly a like-for-like comparison is it?

    That post is disgusting. I trust it was dealt with at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I most certainly would not condone the Israeli supporters being singled out for anything. If they chant "Gas the Arabs", then I'd expect them to be ejected. If Irish fans "hiss" at the Israelis, then out they go too.

    I think we're in full agreement on that particular front in that case.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Strange there was no trouble at it given we are supposedly the most anti Semitic country in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,791 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I would suggest that the way Israeli society is set up lends itself to being racist. A society that is defined by 'Zionism', where nearly all the political parties are right wing or far right and ultra nationalist, where 75% of the population are one religion and this 75% are in all positions of power and authority in the country. Hardly a surprise that this would feed into their football culture. Israeli football fans seem to have the old Millwall "No-one likes us, we don't care" attitude - from what we have heard, they are disliked wherever they show up in Europe and don't even try and ingratiate themselves with any of the locals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We also played Israel in the Euro under 21 play off match at a packed Tallaght Stadium in September 2021. There was one minor incident when a young teenage boy ran on the pitch after the final whistle waving a Palestinian flag, but apart from that the match passed off completely peacefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭csirl


    At the moment there is a "ceasefire" (not my words) in the Gaza conflict. If this lasts a few months more, the away game most likely will be played in Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Average attendance last year was 3,775, many multiples of two men and a dog, but don't let facts get in the way of having a dig.

    https://www.leagueofireland.ie/news/league-ireland-attendances-rise-11-percent-2025/

    As mentioned by another poster, if the FAI refused to play Israel, it is likely UEFA could punish the association and the clubs that represent it in Europe, hitting the players' pockets, i.e. actual domestic workers contributing to the state's coffers, most of whom appear to be in favour of such a move. All those lads playing abroad wouldn't be affected; the English or Scottish FAs wouldn't suffer.

    Calls for RTE not to broadcast the game are not far-fetched; this is the same organisation who have decided to boycott Eurovision because of continued Israeli participation. Frankly, I would deem it to be hypocritical to show it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,331 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    A - You're wrong. Irish opposition to the nefarious actions of Israel have long standing.

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    B - Do you think Israel in 2005 was seen in the same way as Israel in 2026 is viewed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,331 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Every large town and city had at least some but in many cases several and regular protests in support of Palestine. That's an objective fact.

    I'd strongly suggest you're the one who is estimating incorrectly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,331 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    If there is actual talk of the game being played in Israel, it increases justification for a boycott of the fixture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Does that mean you don't believe in innocence until proven guilty?

    Germany, Syria, Iran, Venezueal, USA, Myanmar, Armenia, Azerbijan, UAE and Ecuador are among the countries accused by the ICJ. Do you think we should boycott all matches against Germany?

    Wait a minute, Ireland played Armenia in October 2025 when there was a live case against Armenia at the ICJ. Did you lead a protest on that occasion, or is your latest policy just made up to cover the fact that you only rant against Israel?



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