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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    It’s hilarious watching these regimes in the Axis of Resistance {Iran, Russia, North Korea and friends} bleat and complain about international laws and norms and rules out of one side of their mouths

    While loudly cheering and proclaiming they want a world without international laws, with “spheres of influence” where might is right, human rights and democracy and basic decency towards fellow humans are non existent from the other side.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I would say that America and Israel do also complain about intermational laws in the same way and definitely live the mantra "might is right". For some reason they have not had an axis moniker placed on them.

    No one who is committing war crimes is respecting international law of international courts like the icj and icc.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    You ain’t wrong, both countries you mentioned are going the same way of those 3 shithole regimes mentioned, tho’ there’s a chance US may yet reverse in a few years before too much damage is done {and more people shot in the head on the streets, tho Iran is doing that at several orders of magnitude more this year}

    Which makes the bleating from Iran and co even more hilarious

    Iranian regime got what they wanted a world without rules where might is right and turns out in that world they get to be whipped around

    The sword of authoritarianism and fascism cuts both ways

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,852 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I don't understand any of this. I thought the last US strikes on Iran were the most successful strikes in known history leading to the totally obliteration of their nuclear programme.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Netanyahu told Trump he missed, so ordered him to bomb them again unless Iran does what he demands.

    Trumps now trying to figure out how to avoid images of soldiers coffins in the stars and stripes being shown on the news, avoid being wiped out in the midterms, not anger his donors, the zionist warmongers back home, Islamophobes, military industrial complex, avoid a global energy crisis, avoid a regional war and not upsetting 70% of the American public, while also appearing to get a deal better than the one he ripped up and walked out on.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    This is a thread about Iran, yet it is completely full of whatabout US, whatabout Israel, rather than focussing on the huge sins of Iran, the multiple violations of human rights, their genocidal oppression of women etc.

    Iran is not a good guy, it is by far the worst actor in the Middle East having supported terrorist organisations across the region for decades.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Neither Russia nor North Korea are in the Axis of Resistance.
    Could you give an example of a proclamation they made calling for a world without international law?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    https://www.chathamhouse.org/2025/03/competing-visions-international-order/04-resistance-mantra-behind-irans-worldview

    You also gonna claim Iran Russia and North Korea are not allies despite each one loudly claiming to be?

    They got what they wanted, a world without little regard for rules and laws, the problem for them is in that world there’s little to restrain other “regimes” screwing with them in same manner they been screwing around the world stage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Thanks for the link.

    As I said. Neither Russia or North Korea are in the “Axis of Resistance”.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    You are splitting hairs now yet again and bending over backwards to excuse gobshite regimes whom are busy waging their own wars right here against us in Europe for 5 years now, Ideologically Russia and North Korea media and official proclamations sprout the same revisionist anti liberal rubbish that Iran does and military they all boast about their alliances

    Kind of how the far left has no issues implying Israel are part of the “west” when they are neither in NATO nor EU and their deplorable actions have more in common with savagery seen in Middle Eastern hellholes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    No, you are wrong and as usual will do anything but admit your error. Tiresome.

    You say only the “far left” consider Israel part of “the west”! What a crock of sh1t.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭batman75


    KLM are stopping flights to Tel Aviv from Sunday. I wonder is that significant?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The negotiations only resumed today in Geneva. Hard to know how those will go but if they break down, the most likely timeframe for air strikes by US/Israel would be in the first 2 weeks of March. Netanyahu will ultimately decide proceedings. I will be filling my oil tank and car with fuel before the weekend.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    He does have a point Marco Rubio about Iran encroaching on all those military bases which are located in America's backyard and are now a direct threat to thousands of US troops, bases, planes and the ships.

    Very inconsiderate establishing Persia all those millennia ago in that location, without thinking that a country 10,000 km away like America would come along thousands of years later.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Rubio is a spineless operator whose opinions are hot air and whom has no issues doing 180 degree turns if it suits him

    Remember this

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭batman75


    Now it looks like the Americans want the Israelis to attack Iran and then they'll join in. The Israelis want the reverse. This isn't Iraq 2003. America has no justification for attacking Iran and the public know it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,852 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    And what have we learned about "regime" change and going to war with countries like this in the past number of decades?

    Not absolving the leaders of Iran of anything but lessons need to have been learned from past excursions into middle eastern countries.

    In fairness thinking about the above. Its not a "we" scenario. Its the yanks that will ultimately decide what happens here and primarily the rest of us that will deal with the fallout.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭engineerws


    This is not true. Iran is shia and objectively it is Sunni organizations that have been responsible for the vast majority of terrorism when excluding USA/ Israel. Iran fought isis with the USA.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I don’t have any issue with you using incorrect terms for things. You go right ahead and do it.
    I don’t have an issue with you stating that only the “far left” considers Israel a “western” country.

    Your public gaffes are no concern of mine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The history here is awful complex and there are terrible wrongs on all sides. Even if we only go back to the Iran-Iraq war (1980s), the US supported Saddam's Iraq in many ways (weapons, materials, intelligence etc) and it was a long and brutal war with massive casualties. For Iranians the most traumatic aspect was Iraq's chemical warfare. Supplied by the west, Iraq created and fired large number of chemical weapons into Iran. More than 100,000 killed or injured (long term). Iran complained to the UN and international community about the use of chemical weapons but they were ignored. Iraq's use of chemical weapons during the war is widely considered the prime motivator for Iran’s decision to develop its own "unconventional" weapons programs, including nuclear.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    All true and Iran never retaliated with chemical weapons.
    However, Iran’s nuclear program began under the Shah.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Do you selectively condemn terrorism? I ask because Israel has also funded proxies who engage in terrorism. Israel also engages in state terrorism. Do you deny this? Or will you default to what about North Korea and Qatar?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Correct but that was about nuclear energy. Following the 1979 revolution, Khomeini halted the nuclear program as he viewed it as western technology and a symbol of the old regime (Atoms for Peace i.e. US puppet). He reversed that decision around 1984 when he was convinced his regime needed a deterrent to Iraqs chemical attacks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I see America now wants Iran's missile program as part of any agreement. Iran should agree to this on the basis that Israel also curbs its missile program in return. Iran should agree to zero enrichment and inspections in return Israel declares its nukes and puts them out of commission. If the Americans were honest brokers these issues would be on the table for both sides, but it seems they are interested in capitulation rather than a deal. I mean what country would agree to give up the means to defend itself by the country threatening it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Zionists terrorists introduced the car bomb to the Middle East, killing 21 civilians in a crowded market. Israel also carried out a decade long clandestine car bombing campaign in Lebanon that killed thousands.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Israel's nuclear weapons will never ever ever be on the table for negotiation. And to be fair, if I was an Israeli negotiator, that would absolutely be my stance.

    America have never been honest brokers either. Superpowers tend not to be.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    An ex mossad chief also admitted to supporting Al Qaeda. Then there is the support for sunni terrorists inside Iran. It could well be argued zionist terrorism was instrumental in the state of Israel being formed. Some of the figures involved in these terrorist campaigns went on to become Political Leaders in Israel and are revered.

    I am well aware of all that Cluedo. Just highlighting the double standards in these so- called talks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah I got that alright. I am delighted in a way that Irish people are learning just how duplicitous the USA have been since WW2. Across Central/South America and Middle East in particular. Many Irish people grew up watching movies where the US were always the "good guys". That they were the John Wayne types riding in to save the day. The reality is far more nuanced. US foreign policy has created so much suffering and hatred.

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