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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Looking like the decision to strike has been made… been a few flights of US kit to Israeli airbases, and the movement of F-22's to the region with more on the way.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Putting aside for a moment that I repeatedly denounced the Israeli genocide

    Your post amounts to “we hate terrorists so we are gonna out terror the terrorists by killing 36,000 of our own people to protect them from terror”

    /s

    Yeh calm down there Marie Lou, maybe best not post after pub closing hours

    /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I am sorry, I don't know what planet you are living on, and who you are in contact with in Iran.

    New laws are being put in place to increase the penalties on women who don't wear the hijab in public. The situation of women and girls in Iran continues to deteriorate. The UN has been clear on this.

    https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/iran-must-prioritise-womens-rights-right-life-and-improve-transparency-says

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    That's a massive breach of diplomatic norms by the Iranians there. Even trumpian USA has not stooped to that level (yet).

    It sounds like you think that countries trying to shut down their citizens' access to the internet is a good thing. Is that the case? Do you approve of the Iranian government completely restricting internet access for their citizens?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I think anyone who does not put their luggage through a scanner when asked will get searched if refusing don't you ?

    All diplomats have to obey the law in all countries they go to, he got caught breaking it.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Is there a reason why you are avoiding showing where you got this "information" from?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The top fashion journalist doesn’t need “sources”.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    They are talking about the country with a clandestine nuclear program which has recently killed thousands of civilians.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Well that's one way to let us know that you haven't a clue about diplomatic bags.

    Why don't you educate yourself :

    The most important point is that as long as it is externally marked to show its status, the container has

    diplomatic immunity from search or seizure,[2] as codified in article 27 of the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    OK, then I will just assume that the "source" is so easily discreditable that you are afraid/ashamed to cite it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    As the journalist says, “we don’t have to convince anyone”.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    They were in two suitcases not diplomatic bags, did you watch the video ?

    Besides the Netherlands have the same law for security screening.

    dutch.jpg
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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    That's good one.

    To clarify, they are clearly talking about a theocratic regime that ignores human rights, excludes based on religion and race and believes that any external moral judgements are bigotry fueled conspiracy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    The Jewish lobby in the U.S. wants Trump to go to war with Iran. Trump's worst nightmare is unfolding. His bluster and assembly of military might hasn't cowed Iran into submission. It was the lobby who contributed huge money to his election campaign.

    If Israel is allowed nuclear weapons then so should Iran. That door swings both ways. It is a safeguard again Jewish hegemony in the M/East along with their arsenal of ballistic missiles. The best path to peace in the M/East is for the Israeli's to understand that the Palestinian people are not going anywhere and are entitled to be treated with respect. This is something Israel has not done since it was founded back in 1948 on Palestinian land.

    The Palestinians have been treated appallingly by Israel between human rights abuses, mass murder and land grabs. The greatest promotor of 'anti semitism' is the actions of Israel. Israel is ultimately it's own worst enemy and has put it's very existence in real peril.

    Ultimately I think Trump is going to end up having to go to war with Israel. He is Bibi's bitch and what Bibi wants Bibi gets.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Nixon and Meir did a secret deal in the 1960s where the USA stopped putting pressure on Israel to sign the NPT or open it's Dimona nuclear facility for inspections as long as Israel kept the nuclear program secret.

    As one Israeli leader once said - "Israel will not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East but it will not be the second either".

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Diplomatic bag is a colloquial name for it. When the US bring in the mobile secure room for the President, it comes in "diplomatic bags", which are actually equipment on pallets.

    As was mentioned, this was a significant detour from diplomatic norms.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    That is a very odd way to use the word ‘introduce’ and the deal with Meir has caused headaches for the Americans ever since. These days American officials are as opaque about Israel’s nukes as their Israeli counterparts and even vigorously oppose FOI requests about American investigations into Israeli nuclear espionage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    More on the many children of the regime living in the West. It says a lot that at the same time you’re denouncing the Great Satan you’re sending your kids to these godless places.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Is there not a verse in the bible about not visiting the sins of the father on the children?

    These are adults living and working abroad. In the article is says one woman who was a professor lost her job and was then deported.
    We don’t know if they agree with the views of their parents or not. My children are not responsible for my actions.
    There would be uproar if Bibi’s son in Miami was sacked and deported because his father is a wanted war criminal and I certainly wouldn’t agree with it.

    There were plenty of sons and daughters of hardcore physical force Irish Republicans who made a life in England and had no truck with their parents politics.
    We have many people who have been directly involved in horrific crimes who are now lionised and welcomed in the west. People directly involved in killing Americans, members of Al-Queda now described as “a great guy”.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The risk is that we may find the truth out very soon about whether Israel has nuclear weapons - maybe western imperialist democracies will say if they only knew!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    There is zero doubt that Israel have nuclear weapons. The only question is how many.

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    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Your link is from 2024, two years after the killing of Mahsa Amini.

    Recent video Iran

    I don't think Iran is perfect. Our Iranian friends were lovely but I'm sure there's people there doing unpleasant things too..

    Maybe if Iran wasn't surrounded by the USA, under sanctions and constant threat of attack things might be different. Suggesting I live in a different planet is a bit rude, I don't see the need to be so offensive.

    I worked in the USA too and a lot of nice people there but that doesn't excuse the evil being perpetrated in the middle East by them and it needs to be called out imho.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭engineerws


    I guess you're talking about the genocidal ethno state of Israel that has been murdering everywhere in the middle East with the support of the USA?

    It's amazing how a small country can cause so much trouble.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I think there is in Exodus and elsewhere but I wouldn’t be the person to ask what it means. The thing is that government ministers punish Iranians at home for trying to do what their children are doing abroad. I would expect to see a public break with the parents at the very least as I would with Russian nepo babies in our midst. In both cases the kids are often benefiting from money from the home country which implicates them in corruption too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Somebody should write alternate lyrics to that Oklahoma number explaining why ‘The Trumpsters and the mullahs should be friends’ because they share quite a bit. Iran serves as a horrible warning on how countries can be derailed for many years in their struggle for freedom and not one as unlikely as I imagined a few years ago. Increasingly, the grim thought occurs to me that authoritarianism may be the natural state of human societies. If so, we will have to work much harder to keep what we have.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Whatever one thinks about the the build-up to the Iraq war, the Bush administration at least tried to make a case for it. This Trump adventure against Iran seems to have nobody steering the ship and is doubly odd given Trump’s long hostility to ME wars. Meanwhile the Dems are confused and divided despite the clear hostility of their voters to more wars of choice.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The Vienna Convention does not seem to say much about 'scanning'. It does, however, clearly state that the diplomatic bag (which is basically any package with appropriate marking) may not be opened or detained (art 27). I'm presuming that the bag shown in the video was so marked. Otherwise it may fall under "personal baggage of the diplomatic agent" (Art 36) which has its own rules prohibiting inspection with notes for 'items for the official use of the mission' and 'items prohibited by law or quarantine'.

    There is an interesting bit that the mission may only install and use a wireless transmitter (which I would presume includes Starlink) with the permission of the receiving state (also Art 27), though I don't think any of us know the text of the actual Iran/Netherlands agreement and just how much 'wireless transmitter' they may use within that agreement. Which I would assume also, technically, includes mobile 'phones.

    However, that doesn't normally provide justification for the violation of the prohibition on opening the bag.

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