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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,601 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Far as I can see ,if he introduces an executive order on tariffs under Section 22 of the Trade Act against specified countries, which seems to be what his administration is advocating, then after 150 days he has to go to Congress to get it extended. If they refuse, then he cannot re-introduce those tariffs at any stage afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,601 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If I was a U.S. citizen I would not be making plans on how to spend that $2,000 they were all going to get as a gift before the mid terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,601 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    He may have immunity for his actions granted to him by the Supreme Court, but Bondi and Patel do not, so aiding and abetting him against the expressed wishes of Congress might not be a great idea for either of them going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Yeah that's what I'm getting at. Similar to Johnson proroguing Parliament. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,601 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    He has been spending money, and promising to spend money ($2,000 to everyone) from tariffs he had no approval from Congress to impose. In fact he has been stealing money from his own citizens with a tax dressed up as tariffs. Something mentioned by some members of the Supreme Court in November as far as I recall.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,212 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Apparently, the court "has been swayed by foreign interests”. I’d like to see the evidence on that.

    Hey Trumpy, to be ashamed of those judges you have to be capable of shame.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    That's my take. However in my scenario he would not be extending it past 150 days. He would sign a new XO and the counter would then be reset. Maybe even change the % so it's not identical. Maybe it's 11% for a new 150 days etc… It all depends on the wording of the act. I find it hard to imagine a President can only enact an act a single time each term/calendar year etc… unless that act specifically states it. They are used for emergencies (normally) and that can happen more frequent than law makers can plan for.


    If he chooses to, he'll push it as far as he can go we've another 300 days of legal crap to put up with while the Supreme Court decides etc…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That's assuming a change in government, and it's not a hypothetical statement to say that Trump is not the sort of person who believes in the peaceful transfer of power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I can only imagine the amount of president pardons he will issue before/if he leaves office. As for impeachment, I cannot see any of his cabinet being worried about that. Well certainly not a conviction in the senate at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,601 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    True, but it may not need a change of government. If Congress turns him down on extending beyond 150 days and Patel or Bondi aid him with an end run around that then they might actually grow a pair. Mid terms going well for the Democrats would put pressure on them as well.

    Either way he cannot now impose tariffs using the IEEPA without Congress approval, where the vast majority of this tariff money was coming from, so is this new executive order looks like a 10% tariff on everyone to try and make up for that which would be an extra 10% on those that were not being tariffed under IEEPA. I doubt they are going to put up with that without imposing their own tariffs on Trump. It would leave the tariff on the E.U. at 25% and I cannot see them rolling over to have their bellies tickled on that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Did Trump select any of those supreme court judges?

    I'm pretty sure he nominated most of them are at least a republican president did so this is a tough pill for him to swallow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭septictank


    He put 3 of them in and 2 of his 3 voted against him, where's the gratitude lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭tarvis


    So it is possible to say NO to Trump. Hopefully more leaders will stop the licking up and bowing down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,548 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Mr Quid Pro Quo strikes again

    1000033967.jpg

    Trump's logic - I got you a job, how dare you disagree with me??

    No inkling that there may exist somewhere, some other definition of what's right and what's wrong, other than the word according to Trump.

    Funny the way that the concept of law or accountability is so foreign to him.

    By the way, the main reason I understand his third judge (Kavanaugh) dissented was because it would be extremely problematic for the US to have to repay the money. So by his logic - go rob a bank, because if you spend the money and it's problematic to repay the bank, that's okay apparently!!!

    I googled how a narcissist reacts to bring told no.

    Intense Escalation and Rage: Initially, a "no" will likely cause frustration and an escalation in behavior as they fight to reverse the decision. This can manifest as temper tantrums, screaming, or narcissistic rage.

    See report from CNN for witnesses describing this exact example

    Ignoring the Boundary: They may simply disregard the word "no" and proceed with their desired action anyway, acting as if consent was given.

    He said that he'll impose a different tariff anyway

    Gaslighting and Reality Distortion: Narcissists may deny that the boundary was set, claim they misunderstood, or try to convince the person that saying "no" is unreasonable, crazy, or unfair.

    See his claim that he was right all along and didn't need approval from Congress

    Guilt-Tripping and Victim Playing: They may paint themselves as the victim, portraying the "no" as a cruel act of neglect or abandonment to hijack the other person's empathy.

    &

    Smear Campaigns: If a "no" remains firm, they may, in an effort to regain control, disparage the person to others to ruin their reputation and feel superior

    See press conference for the scorn he poured on Gorsuch and Barrett, saying their families will be ashamed. He also claimed to know more about the law than them, no one has done more for his country etc

    That rage is going to go somewhere and he won't give a f*** about the consequences, because there'll be none for him. He'll probably direct it into making even more money from his position, make the grift more explicit, to show his power and to humiliate the American people by proving they can do f*** all about it.

    His need to have his name put on airports, or have massive posters, or to build an annex to the White House, or to receive awards, are all desperate attempts to assert dominance too.

    I've said before, he will happily burn that country to the ground, because he has nothing but contempt for its people. That's putting aside the idea that he probably is betting against the economy, so when things go tits up, he'll make even money.

    Being a narcissist explains why he.continues to refuse to accept the election loss, or why he hates the idea of term limits - "Trump leaves when he wants to leave". The finding of sexual assault very much makes sense in that context - sex is happening, whether you want it or not. It also tracks with his close friendship with a disgusting child sex trafficker and, by his own admission, his similar predilections.

    Electing a narcissist was a f**king ridiculous idea in 2015, and the pigeons are very much coming home to roost now.

    Incidentally, Biden is a much better man than me. Had I lost to Trump in 2024, I would have quoted Ray Patterson, Sanitation Commissioner. While his words were said when he was reelected, they also work for that moment in time.

    "Oh gosh. You know, I'm not much on speeches, but it's so gratifying to leave you wallowing in the mess you've made. You're screwed, thank you, bye"

    Play the music - walk off stage.

    Post edited by everlast75 on

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭threeball


    I think you're giving them far too much credit. They're just watching which way the wind is blowing, seeing Trump is a busted flush and deciding to break ranks. They didn't do this out of a sense of justice, they did it for purely personal means. Tariffs are sinking the American economy and they didn't want to be the ones associated with giving him the ability to flush it down the Jack's. He's probably dead before the end of the year. He'll have a stroke over the midterms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Brett kavanaugh is a real disappointment to me. I mean I didn't like him but you'd expect at a bare minimum for a supreme Court justice to be legally consistent. So when he uses the excuse of a judgement being hard to implement as a reason for dissenting from it, I am totally **** perplexed, it's not the judges jobs to decide on implementation, he isn't the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Row between Trump admin and AI company Anthopic. Reports their products used in the Maduro capture operation. They haven't commented in that. But their policies dont allow its use for domestic surveillance and autonomous weapons. Hegseth in January demanded contractors allow "all lawful use" and eliminate guardrails.

    In early January, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth released a new AI strategy document that called for any contracts with AI companies to eliminate company-specific guardrails or constraints on how the military can use companies’ AI systems, newly allowing “any lawful use” of AI for Defense Department purposes.

    The document called for defense officials to incorporate this language into any Defense Department AI contract within 180 days, which would implicate Anthropic’s dealings with the military.

    While Anthropic has broadly supported the use of its services for national security purposes, it has maintained that its systems not be used for domestic surveillance or in fully autonomous weapons.

    The Defense Department has balked at Anthropic’s insistence on these two issues and applied increasing pressure to the company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭somenergy


    Tarrifs are destroying the economy latest data i suspect is being on the generous side

    There was no plan it was great reality tv for a fake lying showman.

    Tarrifs only work as a threat using them has done the predicted damage

    It didn't bring jobs the data shows losing manufacturing jobs

    He should have taken their judgement as a way out of the mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    Regarding Iran why is Trump trying to invade it when he told us that he had removed their Nuclear capabilities with his last attack. I'm shocked that he might have told us a lie regarding that really successful raid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭yagan


    @threeball

    Change is within sniffing distance with the mid terms.

    Still though one third of the US electorate voted for a disruptor candidate three times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,535 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Weekly Epstein Files distraction. Probably he'll be on about USA/Canada tomorrow and babbling about the 1980 Olympics.

    Would love it if the Star Spangled Banner was booed tomorrow, it'll give CFTrump more reasons to throw ketchup at TSocial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,548 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Rick Wilson of The Lincoln Project is reporting that Howard Lutnick and his sons have a company which has been buying tariff debt at 20c on the dollar. In other words, when these tariffs get repaid, which they will, he and his family stand to make a 400% profit on evey cent they have laid out. Lest we forget, Howard Lutnick is the Secretary of Commerce, who is responsible for ... The tarrifs.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,959 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    100%, same as UFOs.. I’d say most of his base are conspiracy theorists, so he is making them look at that instead. Andrew being arrested has Trump looking over his shoulder

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    You have one of em fox news quoting Americans on previous page STILL going on about checks and balances in the same day as

    1. Trump transferred 10bn from us tax payers to his board of peace where he is the sole chairman even after he leaves office (if he leaves) and can and probably pass it on hereditary manner to his kids
    2. Supreme Court has ruled Trumps tarrifs are illegal and Trumps immediate response was to double down on illegality and add another tarrif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    huh? Did you not see who they elected TWICE to be their president?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,348 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I feel less optimistic about change because of what we've seen in real terms from many Democrats over the last few years.

    Biden was a very successful President in many ways. I thought he did very well cleaning up the mess Trump had made of the office and think he had a lot of successes although I disagree vehemently with the role he played in enabling and permitting Israel's genocide of Gaza. I also feel he didn't adequately prepare to challenge Trump in 24 and particularly they hadn't gotten Harris to a place where she was assuming the nomination with conviction, rather than it having been by default.

    But we are in this mess because of the failure of the institutions to adequately hold Trump to account for the illegal acts he had done immediately prior to leaving office and with respect to handling of Top Secret documents etc. I'm not suggesting Biden should have done how Trump is doing and manipulated the head of the DOJ and FBI to do his bidding, but Democratic leaders in the House and Senate should have been much more forceful in ensuring committee hearings were held asking the DoJ where was the case going etc.

    I always had the feeling that Merrick Garland thought that Trump would not contest/win in 24 and he hoped they wouldn't actually have to go as far as prosecuting a former US President. And here we are.

    Also, watching the lack of interest in established Democrats in supporting Mamdani last autumn (even after he won) is telling that the Coroporate/Established wing of the party is not interested in things being done too dramatically differently. Things will be significantly better under Democrats, they always are, but they won't be as good as they could be.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Will those who demand removal of safeguards be accountable for manslaughter ?

    Given AI's abysmal false positive rate deaths are certain and since it's pre-meditated it's murder and that's death penalty territory.

    AI can't be held accountable. So IMHO the person who signed off, or the person who forced them to sign is responsible. And the manslaughter defence would be difficult since those responsible would have the information available before making the decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭yagan


    Sounds like AI is just another cover for terrible people to awful things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭yagan


    @Tell me how

    Even if Trump dropped dead tomorrow I don't think that will reduce the tensions, in fact the mini militias riding on Trumps coattails may actually go full tilt for regime takeover, and if they've enough adherents in the armed forces I can't see who'll stop them.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    And that's one more reason why LLM AI is a bubble.

    Corporations are firing those whose jobs have been offshored to AI (used to be India or the Philippines, will be East Africa). Even though the efficiency gains are borderline at best. But they can do a 180 later on and claim "we listened to our customers who wanted local support" and rehire local humans albeit at a lower pay scale.

    But they can't use the AI excuse again for a few years.

    Note less years of service means lower redundancy payments on the next cycle.

    The Donald isn't regulating this, so either complete incompetence or kickbacks from the industry or all part of a 5D chess plan to further decimate the US economy when the bubble bursts.



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