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Tesla Talk 2

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  • #2342
    tppytoppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Because the door popping is a design flaw which the independent mechanic is familiar with.



  • #2343
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124243141#Comment_124243141

    A 10 year old car with near 400,000km on it. Tipsytoppy is clutching at straws now! Show me a VW or any other legacy manufacturer that would fix these issues at this age and mileage.

    Only a fool would think otherwise.



  • #2344
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124243376#Comment_124243376

    And it would have been replaced under warranty no issues. But again, 10 year old car with 400,000km on it. Sometimes common sense is lost on people here.



  • #2345
    rodneytrotter15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭rodneytrotter15


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-robotaxi-austin-14-crashes-nhtsa/



  • #2346
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124247885#Comment_124247885

    Probably on par with Waymo but they’ve had 1429 crashes. But they’ve been operating a bit longer so you’d have to pro rata that.

    https://www.damfirm.com/waymo-accident-statistics.html


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  • #2347
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,873 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    People crash too, all needs to be taken into balance

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  • #2348
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124247885#Comment_124247885

    Old news from last month, we discussed it then.

    Tiny number of crashes, statistically not significant, and all seem very minor. And there is no info on who caused the crash. From memory only 1 crash after sofware version 14.2, which really is the first version of the software that can really drive itself and the first version that Tesla let drive without any safety monitors in the car

    Be more interesting to look at the data over this year

    And I hasten to ad that Tesla robotaxis WILL kill people. That is unavoidable. The only aim here is for them to be significantly safer than humans when rolled out at scale

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #2349
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,873 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124247920#Comment_124247920

    Yes they do, but not nearly as much.

    According to a chart in Tesla’s Q4 2025 earnings report showing cumulative robotaxi miles, the fleet has traveled approximately 500,000 miles as of November 2025. That works out to roughly one crash every 55,000 miles.

    For comparison, human drivers in the United States average approximately one police-reported crash every 500,000 miles, according to NHTSA data.

    That means Tesla’s robotaxis are crashing at a rate 9 times higher than the average human driver.

    Apparently some effort has been made to massage that figure down to only 3-4 times worse than humans by 'estimating' non reported crashes, but that's a nonsense, IMO.

    https://electrek.co/2026/01/29/teslas-own-robotaxi-data-confirms-crash-rate-3x-worse-than-humans-even-with-monitor/



  • #2350
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,761 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Logically the metric shjould be "better than humans in accidents per km driven" but emotionally people (and more importantly legislators) may not accept anything less than zero accidents.

    Very difficult to approve a product you know WILL have an accident if you drive x km.

    It's like the kill one person to save 5 people move the train dilemma. The logical decision is to divert the train to kill the lone person and save 5 but a lot of people will say I won't move it so that way I'm not involved at all.

    Unfortunately as humans logic doesnt always trump emotions.



  • #2351
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124248470#Comment_124248470

    I get your point. But like you say, that's not logical and emotions like that should not be entertained. Whatever system is the safest should prevail. Whoever decides not to follow that logic will have blood on their hands.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • #2352
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Grok has arrived.
    No idea what can be done with it.

    IMG_4370.jpeg


  • #2353
    eagerv
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭eagerv


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124249511#Comment_124249511

    Oh no..😮



  • #2354
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124249520#Comment_124249520

    I just asked it what time it was. Then got back into my car 😂



  • #2355
    eagerv
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭eagerv


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124249530#Comment_124249530

    I presume you need premium connectivity which I cancelled a month or so ago due to imminent new car.

    Edit, Looks like a wifi connection will suffice. My update is loading atm.



  • #2356
    pm.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭pm.


    Looks like the ship arrived yesterday, should we expect cars to Ireland in the ext week ?

    https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:674585/mmsi:441947000/imo:9203576/vessel:ASIAN_MAJESTY



  • #2357
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,880 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124249511#Comment_124249511

    My Y is updating. I see it's Grok. No update for the HW3 S as of yet.

    Stay Free



  • #2358
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124249540#Comment_124249540

    It was reported last week that you needed a Ryzen processor and premium connectivity for Grok to work and the software version that enables it, is 2026.2.6

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #2359
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Currently updating my MY with Grok, hopefully it's not just limited to navigation but you can chat to it.



  • #2360
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Got Grok working.

    Sat in and asked Grok what can you do in a Tesla.

    It told me it can set destination, turn on wipers, set temperature, choose something to watch.

    I asked it to turn on the wipers.

    It told me it can't control anything in the car 🙂.

    So you can chat to it and it will answer, which is good, and you can set navigation and ask it questions about the car like have I enough battery to get to x and back.



  • #2361
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250295#Comment_124250295

    It’s in the release notes. Currently Beta form and you can’t use it to carry out a car function yet. I asked it to take me to a specific address earlier.

    It stated the address, how far away it was and roughly how long it would take me to get there but I had to physically press the icon on screen to start the navigation.

    Maybe that will change in the future.



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  • #2362
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250339#Comment_124250339

    It was more the humour in the moment. It just gave me a list of what it can do, turn in the next sentence said it can't.

    I assume it can in other regions and the block is only at the level when it tries to do it.

    Still cool. I do regularly chat to chat gpt on the way home. If I've ideas I want to flesh out I'll ask it and by the time I'm home I'll understand it better, know what direction I want to go in and even better have it written down for me.

    I just need to see if Grok has a mobile app equivalent that's not X.



  • #2363
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,761 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124248589#Comment_124248589

    I don't disagree. I do disagree on your (prior stated) views on how we get there but from a logistical viewpoint I agree that we should be embracing FSD that is significantly & quantitatively safer than humans per KM driven.

    Let's say an FSD has 1 death per million km and humans have 100 deaths in that same km, who would vote for the human?



  • #2364
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124251174#Comment_124251174

    It's always been Musk's argument. He compared it to lift boys that used to operate lifts. They made mistakes, were drunk on the job, people got hurt and killed. So when it was clear that fully automated lifts were safer, people demanded all lifts would be automated.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #2365
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124250339#Comment_124250339

    I tested this out and it selected the destination okay. Perhaps because I was using "home" it new and didn't need confirmation on screen.

    Just said navigate home, it picked it, gave me distance, arrival time. I also asked about the weather and tide times and it grabbed it right away. Super handy.



  • #2366
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124251362#Comment_124251362

    I’ll try that later. I have home saved too.



  • #2367
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124251442#Comment_124251442

    Checked when heading out this time, it said it had selected the hospital and it should be on screen but nothing showed up. I asked it to check and it insisted.

    Home worked fine on the way back. So maybe just teething problems



  • #2368
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,880 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124251362#Comment_124251362

    When I was leaving work, I asked how long it would take to get home. It asked for my address. I gave my post code and it acted in the same way as it would have had I asked the car to take me home….no need to touch the screen.

    Stay Free



  • #2369
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124251782#Comment_124251782

    Seems to be working for saved addresses, home for example. Try it with a random address.



  • #2370
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,478 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    It seems like it now asks me to say yes to confirm the location. But once I say yes it does add the blue line correctly without no issues.

    So Home and work. Right away.

    Random location you need to say Yes to confirm.



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  • #2371
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,604 ✭✭✭✭josip


    What am I missing? How is Grok-sh1t an improvement on the reiable right button, "navigate to wherever"?



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