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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Democracy isn't a good fit for most Muslim majority countries. You could name stable Muslim majority countries on one hand.

    The western sphere is built on the nuclear family and the break away from clan culture.

    Stable middle eastern countries are built on clan loyalty with an Islamic overlay on top.

    Persia might be better off breaking up based on clan loyalty/identity.

    An attempt at introducing democracy by an invading power is sure to fail with untold consequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Wow, are you suggesting that Arabs are incapable of understanding and operating democracy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Any chance you'd answer my question about whether you think it's OK for Israel to allow visitors to the vou try steal land and houses of people that have lives there for generations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,645 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    See Brickster69’s post regarding the source of the 36500 figure.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    That’s the fella or lass who defends all sorts of authoritarian despotic regimes across multiple threads? Can you link to the post please



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    The Grayzone is almost certainly a Russian backed outlet catering for left wing anti-imperialists (I am myself a left wing anti-imperialist, however, I know a duck when I see one).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    brickster (nor his sources) is particularly reliable, given his posts in the Ukraine thread. Full-on pro-Russian propaganda etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Their main conclusion in the Greyzone article is the left leaning Guardian ran with an original Times article which in turn EU leaders believed which in turn has given the US the OK to attack.

    So the left controls the right and the EU controls the US.

    We all on board with the above, yeah?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    One would think with the reach of Mossad, the CIA, Mi6 and the five eyes aligned intelligence community that they would be able to unearth some evidence linking Max Blumenthal and the Grayzone to Russian funding.

    What exactly is inaccurate in the article linked to by Brickster69?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    There's no 'almost' about it imo, the guy who founded it appeared on Russia Today all the time and wrote for Sputnik. He also just parrots Russia's talking points about Ukraine etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Did you even read the article? Are you happy that the source cited is linked to the crown prince who wants to assume leadership of Iran?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    If the source was pro Ukrainian would you accept it as reliable?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    I did, just checking we're all on board with the absurdity of that part I mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    On one hand you have multiple independent media organisations {of both right and left leaning} reporting mass murders of 33,000+ people in Iran by the theocratic and kleptocratic regime

    On the other hand you have what is clearly and unashamedly Russian “outlet” making counterclaims that play down their fellow deplorable allies crimes

    Hmmm let me think about that for a minute

    BTW when the whole Gaza thing kicked off yet again there were also endless reports across all media on both sides about massive casualties, were those a lie too? Especially since just like Iran free and independent journalists were and are excluded from reporting by the deplorable Israeli regime

    The moment we start giving any weight in current affairs to unashamedly untrustworthy propaganda pieces from regimes that have no issues killing millions of their own like Russia has done is the moment one loses any moral and ethical high ground



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer



    If the Grayzone is as you say, “clearly and unashamedly a Russian outlet” let’s have some evidence.

    But of course you just want to make claims without any evidence.

    Many are reluctant to rely on fashion journalists based in the UK to provide an accurate account of facts on the ground in Iran. Especially when they claim they don’t have to verify their account.

    Once the good guys start killing Iranians they can claim whatever number they want were actually killed by the bad guys before the freedom bombs started falling.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Originating in TIME Magazine on January 25th, the dubious “30,000” claim was quickly amplified by The Guardian, a key voice of left-liberal London respectability. From there, European officials seized on the death toll to justify designating Iran’s IRGC as a terrorist organization – essentially green-lighting another US-Israeli military assault on Iran.

    Direct quote from the Greyzone article.

    Just wanted to make sure this is what we're believing... didn't want to come across as not liking Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Start here

    Since you seem to gravitate towards conspiracy theories this will blow your mind

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    So to summarise a very questionable “publication” that only ever offers favourable coverage of terrible regimes like Russia, Syria and Iran and was caught red handed being funded by Iran

    … wrote a piece to downplay the murder of thousands of Iranians who want peace and prosperity and normality in Iran

    … spread by a poster with a clear anti democratic and western agenda across thousands of posts

    You really want to die on this hill?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    If it wasn’t for the Grayzone the 40 beheaded babies hoax would have been unchallenged in the bastions of truth in the main stream media on both left and right.

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    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Wikeapedia? You can pay to edit it just like Epstein did.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Keep digging yourself into a hole

    Or disprove the direct funding links between this publication and Iranian regime it gets funded by



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Make up your mind. Is it clearly a Russian outlet?


    Show me any evidence of the Grayzone receiving funding from Iran or Russia.

    The Washington Post (absolutely no links to intelligence agencies) later corrected its article that there were payments to the Grayzone.

    https://www.unz.com/article/max-blumenthal-the-washington-posts-attack-on-the-grayzone/

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    In Gaza, the authorities have checked and validated 70,000 plus dead. Is there any official evidence of the 30,000 dead in Iran? Callous as the Iranians often are in their wilful arrests of tourists, such a claim needs evidence through burial records etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Hard to believe it could be worse that the current crowd, destabilising the entire region by funding terrorists, up to 20k protesters killed and the morality police killing women for not wearing hats last year. Not to mention completely failing to secure and manage their water supply. Whatever happens they are a few years away at most from mass droughts.

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    There is an alliance between Iran and Russia. Both are fairly awful regimes would you agree? that just like Israel have massive propaganda and disinformation networks that would of course want and do downplay crimes they commit

    Grayzone is not a credible publication, if you want to believe what they shovel your way that is your choice, but all it does is undermine your own credibility and posts that wouldn’t look out of place on conspiracy theories forum instead of a more serious place for discussion

    Aside; you linked to unz.com another site hiding behind Cloudflare, no domain registration or about information, and itself looking like quite a dodgy site, seems to me like you have went off on your internet research and ended up in some fairly questionable neighbourhood that’s populated by loons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Since you are so concerned about conspiracy theories, people promoting beliefs without evidence.
    Perhaps you could provide evidence of Russian or Iranian funding of the Grayzone.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    I see that you are unable to even agree that Russian and Iranian regimes are bad^TM and are in alliance, so no matter what I say would have no effect on yourself as you have already checked out your brain and fallen down the rabbit hole



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The verified death toll according to the human rights organisation working on the Iranian situation (HRAI), through their news agency HRANA stated the following…

    On 28 January, HRANA updated its verified death counts to 5,993 adult protesters, 113 minors, 214 security force members, and 53 non-participants; and its count of deaths still under investigation to 17,091 people. On 1 February, HRANA's verified death counts increased to 6,425 adult protesters, 146 minors, and 57 non-participants; while the security force death count remained at 214. The number of death cases still under investigation dropped to 11,280 names.

    While it doesn't exactly tally with this 30,000 figure that's being bandied about, it's still a shocking figure to attribute to 36 days of protests by anyone's yardstick.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I agree that Russian and Iranian regimes are “bad”.

    Now how about that evidence?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Posted on previous page but you tried to dismiss Wikipedia with its references and edit history as somehow in your eyes less trustable than some random conspiracy theory website you chose to use for your counterpoint, this Grayzone publication only defends and shills for these “bad” regimes you just admitted are bad, so forgive me for laughing at the clumsy gaslighting attempts to give them credibility or your other posts that are pure whataboutery

    Even likes of Haaretz are not as brazen when it comes to pushing propaganda and they are fairly bad when it comes to anything Israel/Iran related



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