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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'd fully back VdF to follow in James Lowe's footsteps and put in a big performance on Saturday.

    I'm annoyed about the potential Izzy demotion. We have a big chance to dismantle England's lineout as they only have 2 lineout options selected to start. And Joe McCarthy is getting one chance too many IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    Thats the most puzzling thing about a Frawley selection. We already have a very good utility back in Crowley who's also a much better 10 than Frawley. Having Crowley in a matchday squad facilitates a specialist 10 replacement on the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    It's really bloody annoying if Izzy isn't starting. He went well vs. Italy and he's a perfect like for like replacement for Baird who's injured. That's a perfect combination vying for the 6 jersey for Ireland. Baird was going great in the autumn and was unfortunate with his injury but Izzy was good last weekend and this game would suit his skill set perfectly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    We have versatility, Jack Crowley is starting! For example if Osborne goes off then Jack goes to 15 and Harry / Sam comes on at 10. Ditto if big Stu goes off. That's the benefit of Crowley.

    It seems like Farrell is giving Jack 80 mins in the 10 position on Saturday come hell or high water!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Jelly Welly


    do you not realise how awful Prendergast has been for Ireland and Leinster? He’s done. He doesn’t even look anything like a rugby player. He’s like a beanpole with no pace. Playing 10 at a high level is simply beyond someone with his physique.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 inbloom427


    The VDF situation is different than Lowe though, as he was brought back in when Stockdale didn't go well against France (setting aside the fact that very few did, the tactics were atrocious, others are given endless opportunities, and going well against Italy at home - or not, in other cases - is hardly equal to playing this France team on song).


    VDF being brought back in after the "kick up the backside" despite others playing well is just awful. Recipe for disaster, alongside sticking with the other old favourites…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,316 ✭✭✭✭phog


    What has Joe McCarthy done to keep his spot, he has been well below par in the two games so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭almostover


    That's a bit of a mad take. He hasn't been good in this 6N but he could well be back in the mix before the tournament is out and for Leinster's CC campaign. He's definitely not done.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,478 ✭✭✭fitz


    He had a terrible December that season. If there's any revisionism going on here it's your assessment of his form at the time. I said at the time it wasn't his fault, I think he spent that season putting himself under ferocious pressure to carry a team that was not performing because of the Rowntree situation. I'd argue (and I think I have previously) that he was the most negatively impacted player at Munster by what was going on with the coaching, and that he deserved a break in terms of the criticism he was getting at the time for that form, but to say he was playing well just doesn't wash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,780 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It seems Leinster often follow the Ireland team selections. Am I wrong about that?

    I find it hard to believe he would be brought in to the Irish 23. I do believe there's a possibility that Frawley could still be a decent 10 if he gets run of games there but he hasn't and I have no clue how you could bring someone into the Irish setup who isn't playing the position very often.

    As said above Crowley can move around the pitch so a true 10 should be brought in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭antfin


    Rumours abound that Gibson-Park won't be offered a PONI contract for next year and is likely to depart Leinster for France. That would leave Ireland (and Leinster) in a bit of a bind for any international standard scrum-half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    he didnt though, he wasnt great against castres but that was as much down to the whole team being poor. this idea that he was out of form is just not true



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    I recall him playing very well against Ulster and in January was playing really well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I see this possible selection in the IT:

    IRELAND (possible v England): 

    Jamie Osborne; Robert Baloucoune, Garry Ringrose, Stuart McCloskey, James Lowe; Jack Crowley, Jamison Gibson-Park; Jeremy Loughman, Dan Sheehan, Tadhg Furlong, James Ryan, Joe McCarthy, Tadhg Beirne, Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris (capt). 

    Replacements: 

    Rónan Kelleher, Tom O’Toole, Finlay Bealham, Jack Conan, (two from Edwin Edogbo, Cormac Izuchukwu and Nick Timoney), Craig Casey, Ciarán Frawley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Frawley was injured for the A game and didn’t train so unfair assessment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Can't really argue with Prendergast's exclusion. I would have picked Byrne and gone 5-3 but 6-2 seems to be mandatory these days. By the same token, Casey is fortunate to be retained and, if he's called upon, needs to make an impression.

    Hopefully VDF responds positively to last week's selection and brings more intensity, we're still a bit limp up front for whatever reason. For that same reason I would also have started Conan and dropped either Beirne or McCarthy to the bench, neither of whom have blown us away in the two games so far. Sheehan is another who needs to get the finger out of his arse and knock a few English guys over.

    I dunno, I can feel some (baseless) optimism creeping in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    This is the sort of over the top bullshit which is constantly posted about Pendergast. Ignores every good game he has ever had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,316 ✭✭✭✭phog


    This is probably something similar to the Murray and POM contract negotiations where the IRFU either want to offer him a shorter contract or want Leinster to pick up more of the payment as JGP moves into the last year/s of being an international player. He has the benefit of no one really challenging him for his position for club or country so is still in demand for Leinster and Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    and he isn’t going anywhere until post RWC in Australia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,889 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    He's been pretty bad in every game against an in form tier 1 nation with the press coping about moments of great skill and his high ceiling.

    Its faint praise to talk about how good he looks when his team is under zero pressure against poor opposition.

    Prendergast either starts or doesn't make the 23, he is not able to cover any other position except 10 so no point having him as a liability on the bench as well as on the field.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,316 ✭✭✭✭phog


    In all likelihood this is true unless he is not happy with the length of contract or the salary, he really won't care who is paying him once he is getting the money.

    He'll be going on 35 by the time of the RWC is over and he also knows he'll be in less demand by then too so he needs to get the best contract available to him now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭antfin


    I suppose the question is whether Leinster is better off letting him go and pushing hard to sign a NIQ scrumhalf that can replace both him and Luke McGrath at the same time and developing Gunn as the backup rather than ploughing money into a player who will be gone for most of the season anyway. It will be an interesting test of how the new PONI finances work in practice. Basing this on nothing really, but it might also expose the more merchanary nature of some of the project guys who have qualified on the 5 year rule compared to guys who were born here when they're asked to take a smaller pay packet than they can get elsewhere later in their career.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,060 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He could demand a 6 year contract with his own personal unicorn farm and the IRFU would have to give serious consideration to granting it.

    It is hard to think of a more important player to Ireland at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,316 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Yes and I think the hardball game is between the IRFU & Leinster than between the IRFU and JGP. I wonder will the unicorn farm be open to the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    it might also expose the more merchanary nature of some of the project guys who have qualified on the 5 year rule 

    Gibson Park actually qualified after 3 years before the rule change, and could have been selected for the 2019 RWC, iirc.

    I think he was ~27 before he got an Ireland cap. He wasn’t in Farrell’s first 6 Nations squad initially, until the re-scheduled October games due to Covid.

    He (and imo, Tadhg Beirne) are great examples of players who developed later in their career, who belie any talk of “ceilings”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭roverjoyce


    It's funny, just looked at the Ireland team v New Zealand in 2023

    If evebody was fit there might only be 4 changes from the team that started and 2 have retired

    Sexton and POM

    Bundee and Henderson are only starters who might not make it

    And 5 of the subs are still there

    Jobs for the boys really sums this up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭antfin


    Yes you're correct I forgot that he was one of the final players to qualify under the 3 year rule for Ireland. His development was also slowed by the fact that Leinster couldn't select him in European competitions because of the limits on players from non-EEA non-Cotonou Agreement countries because Leinster prioritised Scott Fardy and James Lowe for European squads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Lets hear your team for the weekend so, who is being overlooked?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,060 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If if if.

    There are 7 changes to the starting XV. There were 9 changes to the starting XV that took the field against France and 11 to the starting XV that took the field against Italy.



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