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Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 25/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭BenK


    Well it's also in Arsenal's hands in fairness but they have a 5 point buffer (albeit City have a game in hand).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,876 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    City can go and win every game for the rest of the season. They've done it before. We'll be done after the Chelsea game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭BenK


    Yeah look I know they could but it's not the same City as other years where they were getting near a 100 points. Arteta needs to earn his crust now and change the narrative for the players. On paper they're still in a strong position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Not beating pool at home started the rot. It broke their confidence and we've had some awful results since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Teams that win the league get stronger towards the end. We are getting weaker. Winners play with confidence and style and we are playing with fear and panic. A strong manager gives the team strength and after the last few games I am seriously doubting Arteta's ability to win a league.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭omega man


    when the anger and bitter disappointment subsides over the coming days we’ll all agree we saw this coming but hoped it was just a blip. Something has been wrong now for a good few weeks for whatever reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭TheRona


    Everyone knows this, including the players. Nobody goes out with the mentality that they're going to play **** football, and Arteta isn't going to be telling them to play **** football.

    It's very easy to say that we need to play fast crisp football, but unfortunately the opposition, the elements, and the form of our players means that it's not viable most of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭al87987


    God I hate watching us play football this season, all the criticisms levelled at us are true unfortunately, no tempo to us, completely risk averse, 1st touch always towards our own goal, time wasting to kill any game momentum. I simply don't understand it in games like this. The set piece goals have dried up and we are dull as dishwater.

    Timbers worst game I've seen, he looked wrecked from the off. Gyokeres is awful, I don't care too much about the lack of goals but his general play is non-existent.

    I think that last goal is completely on Gabriel, it's a cross directly into the keepers hands in the 6 yard box with no Wolves player around, don't know why he's ever going for it. It's the keepers ball all day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,719 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I think it was more to do with nerves rather than conditions. The conditions were bad but putting 7 yard passes out over the line or to an opponent is nerves and the manager has to take most of the blame for not having them geed up for this instead of being bundles of nerves. We have played in conditions like this before and played great football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭JohnySwan




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    He should be punching especially if he sees Gabriel going for it. Error by both of them imo. Cant really blame them though. The attacking players really have let the side down. Only so long the defense can keep clean sheets and scoring a large percentage of the goals.

    Whether it's Arteta or the forwards execution but its really not been good enough by them. As Merson said there, wouldn't like to be in that dressing room after finishing second 4 seasons in a row. Arteta like most of us, looked deflated in that post match interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭omega man


    media has built us up for an epic collapse, some were talking about us winning a quadruple ffs.

    Arteta may as well throw off the shackles and ditch the risk averse nonsense and go for it (he won’t though).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    How can we bottle the league 4 years in a row??


    Very worried where the club goes after this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    This one really is a collapse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Agree with this, Arteta set up with Saka in midfield and he playing badly, Norgaard should have started in midfield played well at the weekend and was Captain of Brentford last season and best player consistently and a leader. The way Arteta is playing is inviting teams to come at us and in the second half Wolves grew stronger. The players are loosing winning mentality Eze and Declan arguing over a corner and then gifting possession back to Wolves, Trossard trying to run down the clock, Jesus at the end of the game. 11 points dropped in the last 7 games don’t win the title with that sort of form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭JohnySwan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,036 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Yes I can't believe we bottled the league last year having spent precisely ZERO days in first position all season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭TheRona


    Norgaard for Saka would only get him slated for being negative and inviting teams to come at us, which is exactly what people are complaining about.

    I agree Norgaard should have come on, replacing Rice or Zubi who both surely need a break.

    After the match there was some small thing about Aaron Ramsey on the TV. They were showing highlights of the goals we scored back when he was in the team. We just used to have so many midfield players who would score goals and create chances. We don't have that any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,073 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    First time in prem league history the top team have let a 2 goal lead slip to a team in the relegation zone never mind the worst team in the history if the league.

    He needs to just let the team play



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    27 games in. Cant just flip a switch and change the style of this team. It is what it is now. Not all on the manager though. Not his fault imo how bad the majority of the attack has been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭DvB


    As much as I despise knee jerk reactions, last night painted a very clear picture to me. We're gutless, lost way too many physical battles against the weakest opponents we can expect to face in a league game which is simply unacceptable. Last night brought home something a friend said to me a couple of weeks ago, that myself & my son must be having a ball watching Arsenal this year given the potential quadruple, it then hit me that I haven't really enjoyed watching us at all, bar the odd game we've been awful to watch & rarely when clearly the better team put games to bed early, we just don't have that killer instinct that serial winners need, and don't play the attractive attacking football we did a couple of years ago either that gave us 2 great seasons of football to watch albeit without a trophy to show for it. At this stage we've swapped the great football for risk averse slow methodical cr*p and are still as far from winning silverware as we were then.

    I'll be honest, I cant see Arteta winning any more silverware at the club, we just don't have the mentality to be winners IMO.

    City are & will be mentally be to strong for us and will comfortably win the league cup final, and even if we get to the last 8 in europe we're due to play city there again too, same result there IMO. They'll 100% win the league now, I just don't see where the change in attitude comes from within now to change the inevitable.

    It was there to be won & I cant see us having a better chance for a while given the start City & Liverpool had, but the reality is draws against weaker teams have killed any momentum, Forest, Brentford, Wolves, all appalling performances, Liverpool & united at home the same. Other than the wins over the promoted clubs we've been muck for a good while now and Arteta doesn't appear to have an answer to that slump in performance. Even our defensive solidity has waned considerably now and that was our biggest asset until Christmas.

    Last night was not a knee jerk, it was a simple realisation for me that we are not the team I thought/hoped we were. I had great hopes for this season & genuinely believed the drought would end, sadly the dream ended last night, I've never seen my son so despondent after a game and has already said he doesn't want to sit through any more games this year as its not fun anymore. That sums it up for me, if i cant enjoy sitting with my son watching The Arsenal what's the point anymore, I can take not winning stuff (have had more of that in the last 48 years supporting the club than I care to remember) but to promise so much & deliver so little in such a gutless way is a hard hard watch.

    On the outside people will say we're still in 4 competitions etc, but who genuinely believes we have the wherewithal to make a real go of the remainder of the season? UNless theres a serious shift in mentality we're done.

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    "I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year" Charles Dickens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    "On the outside people will say we're still in 4 competitions etc, but who genuinely believes we have the wherewithal to make a real go of the remainder of the season? UNless theres a serious shift in mentality we're done."

    Nope. There won't be a mentality shift. Arsenal are done for the PL. Cracked again. So mentally weak plus poor tactics.

    Won't win the PL or CL under Arteta. This year was their chance in the PL and they've blown it. It'll be tougher next season. You could see it in the players body language after the game, Artetas too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭DvB


    Good observation, post game the body language had 'beaten docket' written all over it. If the team themselves don't believe they can still do it then we really are just waiting to be overtaken.

    I'm so angry at myself this morning, I promised I wasn't going to let last night bother me too much but the more I think of it the angrier I get at myself for allowing myself to get sucked in to caring too much.

    I genuinely cant remember the last time I felt this low after a game (especially one we didn't even lose!!)

    "I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year" Charles Dickens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,507 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    No dressing that one up I'm afraid. Toddlers have a stronger mentality than this team, you could see it plain in their faces from the moment Wolves got one back. Time wasting and acting the maggot trying to wind down the clock. It's easy to say it from here obviously as the pressure must be immense but until they actually get over the line and win something, anything then this is going to continue.

    They already look broken, and it's not even March yet. Genuinely worried what happens next. If they lose the EFL Cup Final, it could very well be the beginning of the end of Arteta's run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭omega man


    Well it’s Arteta who persists with Martinelli, Jesus and a never fit Havertz. Throw in a potential flop in Gyokeres too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,281 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    shame about last night but now we have a rested spurs away with a new manager, I can’t see them improving overnight

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,509 ✭✭✭mosstin


    I think it is. He has them living on crumbs so it's no surprise that they're snatching at chances from open play. Once you take away set pieces, Arsenal are struggling to score. That's all down to coaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭eastie17


    yes as painful as it is to say it, it’s over and we need a new manager next season.

    There’s a premiership winning team there with some changes but Arteta isn’t the guy unfortunately



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,281 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    are you having a laugh ?
    nothing is over an while the team have slipped up recently they are still in the race, we didn’t just fall five points behind city

    The internet isn’t for everyone



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