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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's opinion without evidence.

    “We should not be facilitating employers who wish to employ international students on low pay where those jobs could in some cases otherwise be filled by Irish students or workers. It is likely that wage suppression is caused by the availability of such lower skilled international student labour,” 

    Some cases.

    Likely to.

    Not what you would label empirical evidence now is it?

    Or are we back to those migrants hogging the well paying and conditions delivery app jobs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,922 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    they are only a failed AS when the process determines so, that's it, that's the reality.
    it doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't matter what you want or like, that's the process.
    no the government re-examined the case and likely realised that the individual concerned had a case and would win any appeal.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Haha grand so, the cabinet are just having discussions on a random hunch about action plans to deal with non issues they’ve pulled out of the sky, they’ve definitely not got any evidence whatsoever that’s prompted their activities

    Personally I doubt it, but there are none so blind as those who will not see I suppose…

    “Hey look at that duck over there”

    “How do you know it’s a duck?”

    “It looks like a duck, is quacking like a duck, is behaving like a duck, we know what a duck is, that’s a duck.”

    “Have you even completed exhaustive DNA analysis on it? You have no actual evidence that it’s a duck and until then you can’t say anything is a duck!” (i am very smart 😏)

    “I’m afraid I can’t help you”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Haha grand so, the cabinet are just having discussions on a random hunch about action plans to deal with non issues they’ve pulled out of the sky, they’ve definitely not got any evidence whatsoever that’s prompted their activities

    Seems that way.

    But that would hardly be unique to Civil Servants trying to push through agendas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭enricoh


    But you don't live in Ireland boggles, do you?

    How on earth can you possibly comment on shops changing in a year to almost all Indian staff. Almost every single fella with his delivroo, just eat bag foreign.

    Google away, anyone living here sees the change plain as day n pays no heed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/09/03/indian-nationals-are-best-paid-foreign-workers-in-ireland/

    How on earth can you possibly comment on shops changing in a year to almost all Indian staff

    If you say so. Looks like they are driving up wages though, not down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Have you any empirical evidence to show that the presence of Indians in the workforce has resulted in an increase in wages across the board?

    In any case such things are not mutually exclusive - presence of Indians in higher paid jobs does not negate their presence in lower paid jobs also.
    The fact is that there are simply a lot of Indians, so it only makes sense they will be well represented at every level.

    The question is whether there is a necessity to the country that they fill those roles at the lower levels that Irish young or unskilled people could potentially fulfil instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod - Boards is an anonymous forum and posters are advised not to divulge personal and identifiable information in the Terms of Use. Where somebody lives is no one's business but their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,507 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: @Boggles and @Stephen_Maturin give it a rest. The last two pages are taken up with your bickering over tiny details. Just agree to differ and put each other on ignore, for the benefit of the other posters on the thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The empirical evidence is the link.

    They are amoung youngest and are the highest paid.

    We will leave it there, as Necro is probably right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Your link does not show that presence of Indians in the workforce has resulted in an increase in wages across the board 

    And yes, we will leave it there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Interesting conversations on X about the stupid abuse given to our latest rugby recruit, some stupid posts on both sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Edogbo is not a rugby recruit. He was born in Cobh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭golondrinas


    If you are looking for a point. The salient point is they should not be here. I can't believe big Jim cant see the damage his putting their deportation on hold is doing to his recent token deportation of 23 I repeat 23 on a plane capable of holding in the region of 200 souls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,188 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    That was not the point of the post you replied to and you know it.

    Do not conflate deportation figures with that lady and the child's scholarship. It's disingenuous and irrelevant .

    The point was about the child's scholarship and their status when he was granted it .

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    The best thing Jim O’Callaghan could do for his reputation as someone committed to applying Ireland’s immigration rules fairly , and in a way that serves the national interest, is to proceed with this deportation. It is a high-profile case, and following through would demonstrate that he cannot be swayed by public pressure, which could also put a stop to any future campaigns to stop deportations.

    The optics are particularly poor given that O’Callaghan is an alumnus of Gonzaga College. He risks creating the impression that he is looking out for his former school by yielding to pressure to retain a talented rugby player, helping to improve their chances of winning the Schools Cup, rather than prioritising what is best for the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,188 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I don't know where you shop but in a wide cross section of North Dublin shops and hospitality most of the temporary workers are young Irish people / college students .

    If you are talking about full time permanent posts it's a different story alright but many young Irish are only looking for shorter working weeks while they study and then move on to higher paid permanent jobs when they qualify.

    My family , my friends families and all their friends and relations ...a fair amount of mileage there and a wide sweep of employment as opposed to looking at a few shops in the city centre maybe ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,188 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    More likely considering his position in light of numbers of voters in his constituency of Dublin Bay South who disagree with deporting people who are considered an asset to the community, as that lady's supporters have described her and her family.

    Are you surprised at that ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    That would be deeply disappointing if he is thinking in such a narrow, parochial way - prioritising his own South Dublin private school circle over the broader national interest. That kind of politics feels more in keeping with the Healy-Rae playbook than with someone who aspires to lead the country as Taoiseach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,188 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    He's a FF minister and the man of the people mantle he has pulled on in recent times, is just that, a cloak to hide the self serving nature of FF in government .

    He will ensure that however strongly he speaks and whatever the policy is , the opinion of those who vote for him supersedes everything else .

    I said this originally when ' hundreds ' of people were out supporting this lady . If those people were from another constituency ) multiple constituencies you might have seen a different result .

    Or maybe her case deserved a second , more humane, look ,

    Maybe I am cynical ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Fair enough my experience has differed, particularly in retail and hospitality, a few others have said the same in this thread so I’m not unique in this regard

    The articles I posted earlier on the growing levels of youth unemployment and difficulties getting a job for young people would support this. I can’t imagine it would be harder for them to find jobs if they didn’t have to compete with thousands of additional people that are coming to the country on an annual basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Two friends of mine did delivery while in university in the 90s. Just because you didn't meet them does not mean they didn't exist....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,507 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    @creedp threadban lifted after PM discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭cal naughton


    So Dublin Bay South is now seen as a soft touch sanctuary constituency!

    I don't think the residents have fully thought this support through. There will be more people trying to move to this area as a precedent has been set!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭engineerws


    hundreds of thousands of people in Dublin want to move to Dublin Bay South. It may be a sanctuary city but you'll still need to find a > million to get sanctuary there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,261 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    On racism in Ireland - I do not condone any of it of course.

    however, the experience of the last 25 years + : floods of bogus asylum seekers, illegal immigration, ppl arriving in Ireland with absolutely zero connection to the state yet seeking all manner of social benefits, lack of trust and goodwill, fraud, the violence and lawlessness of migrants in several high profile criminal cases…

    All of this has served to “poison the well” of race relations in this country.

    The blame lies with a reckless govt, virtue signalling law makers, and the NGO sector.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭cal naughton




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    This is exactly what the country needs. Ebun Joseph influencing government policy on racism. I wonder does the report include any updates on the racist Shelbourne Hotel statues or racist Galway ribena?

    I'd love to know who thought it would be a good idea to give this divisive race baiter the 'special rapporteur for racism' job. Surely they could have come up with someone better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,111 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Insulated by property prices.

    It's easy to virtue signal in that position really



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