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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,540 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    If a jewish person said that Judaism is coming and dogs were unclean and they dont have a place in society as indoor pets then I'd be perfectly fine with him saying he'd choose dogs over jews.

    But nobody said that.

    However an elected congressman did say it about Muslims which, despite your obvious moral compass, is entirely inappropriate.

    Nobody should be representing people who want dogs banned as indoor pets because it doesn't agree with their religion, it's an insane position to hold.

    You are comparing what a political lobbyist said against what an elected official said - there is a massive difference!

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,540 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So call it out but is there really a need to be a racist prick about it as Randy Fine was?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    He wasn't racist , he was simply pointing out given a choice between dogs or muslims he'd pick dogs.

    If that is racist than 95% of the world is.

    Same applies to choosing between dogs or any other group.

    The context is that a Muslim person stated that dogs were unclean as part of Islam, that is why Muslims were refeenced in response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭randomcorkman


    So your point was completely incorrect but you still stand behind it? Ok.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    My point is there was nothing wrong with what the congressman said. That is the overall point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭fullstop



    Well you can rest assured Randy wouldn’t say such a thing about that cohort. Bought by AIPAC. The irony of him telling people to starve btw…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    That was a pretty important aspect of your post, I would have thought…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Benihunter


    Mod Edit: Warned for commenting on moderation

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,540 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    He wasn't racist , he was simply pointing out given a choice between dogs or muslims he'd pick dogs.

    No. He was being extremely racist.
    Just because you don't disagree with him doesn't make it any less racist!

    If that is racist than 95% of the world is.

    I think you'll find that statistic to be 100% made up!

    The context is that a Muslim person stated that dogs were unclean as part of Islam, that is why Muslims were refeenced in response.

    I don't give a toss about what she said because I really don't give a toss about her - she is not a public representative, her opinion isn't really any different to yours or mine and to be honest, had the congressman not replied, most people would probably never be aware of her.
    However, if I felt the need to reply to her comment, I could have done it without the need to be a racist prick.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    As long as we are reliant on the US economy, our leaders will to some extent bend the knee. Our leaders talk tough on Israel and do nothing about trade with the settlements.

    We have to some extent criticise indigenous Irish businesses for this because they have continued to concentrate on English-speaking markets, and not fully availed of EU ones.

    For example, agriculture is still very tied to the UK market, and about 29% of indigenous Irish companies exports go to the UK. This compares with 11% of overall Irish exports going to the UK. 40-50% of Irish agricultural exports go to the UK.

    The UK at the moment is also bending the knee to Israel. Those critical of Israel have been hounded out of the Labour party or silenced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,635 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Jesse jackson has died, im shuddering to think how the trump admin are going to debase themselves further in the next few days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Yeah , saying you prefer dogs to Muslims, Jews, Hindu, Christians etc is not racist simple as that.

    Muslims are not a race so it can't possibly be racist, I can become a Muslim and I'm white as snow.

    He mentioned Muslims in particular because a muslim said they should no be part of the future of New York as indoor pets.People who say stuff like that deserve to be called out on their bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    At a risk of going on a tangent and worth a thread of its own

    That criticism is unwarranted, there are so many trade barriers and regulations within EU that it’s often easier to sell into US even with tarrifs than EU especially when it comes to services

    Take Revolut which is now the largest fintech neo bank in Europe, the bullshit they had to go through to reach where they are even with a product that’s light years ahead of competitors and classic banks is incredible

    To this day as an example some systems won’t accept non Irish revolut IBANs, why? SEPA was meant to lower bank transfer barriers within EU and only 10 years we are sort of still getting instant payments, and i was still subject to bullshit app from my Irish bank that can’t accept more than 15 or so characters and hence can’t validate the name on recepient is correct and hence send instantly, why hasn’t the central bank cracked down on this? That’s right there is just a little example of a friction faced in European system and multiply it by 1000 and 1000 again and you get idea of what companies face trying to operate in Europe

    Yes it’s getting better but painfully slow, yes there are exceptions like Revolut but at incredible cost and amount of work and hoops they had to jump through to just operate and get to where they are, compare it to PayPal that done much of the same in US but 15 years earlier

    And that is just one of the reasons we don’t have massive European tech companies, the other I discussed here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Mywifetoldme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,537 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    How easy would it have been for Randy Fine to say that "the choice between Nerdeen Kiswani (whoever she is) and dogs is an easy one".

    But no. He had to make it about all Muslims. And he did so for a reason. To appeal to other bigoted pricks who think that "there was nothing wrong with what the congressman said", when to everyone else there's something clearly wrong in what he said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is what conservatism in America is now. They're too spineless and weak to admit what they're doing despite it being blindingly obvious.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭randomcorkman


    What is it with the right wing and the comical shithousery of their heroes like Randy Fine? It reminds me of kids watching YouTube. Just read his wiki and what an arsehole. Will definitely be watching out for his name wrt something sexual, he protests way too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,536 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Interesting that the "Executive Chairman" of Hyatt Hotels, Thomas Pritzker, billionaire, just resigned from the board due to his Epstein ties: bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93wk4d7x19o

    Interesting because he's the cousin of J. B. Pritzker, Illinois governor and mentioned as a possible 2028 POTUS candidate, very much opposed to Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    Whoever said Germans don’t have a sense of humour

    IMG_6585.jpeg IMG_6584.jpeg

    more floats from Düsseldorf



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's no intellectual foundation for American conservatism. It simply exists to strip the American people and their state of wealth and transfer it to the tiny elite. The performative racism and cruelty are just Bread & Circuses for the modern age.

    The goal of people like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk is techno-feudalism. They love to pretend that they stand for grand ideas but ultimately, it's about money. Wealthy European families used to give big to the Church, the Arts and charities while Musk spends his fortune making AI p*rn.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭midlander12




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,116 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    I agree, yeah that post is off the wall for sure.

    It's on Twitter, you open the app and you see insane **** all the time.

    It would be a bit different if she was an actual advisor for an elected representative, but she's not, so it doesn't really matter considering the ocean of crap that is posted every minute on that platform.

    Performative outrage on your part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Catholic Getmans are hilarious as those Dusseldorf floats prove 😉
    It's those protestant ones 👀 that are miserable bollox' much like our own crop /jk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,618 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Swings and roundabouts, and you're conflating two different aspects of the subject : EU-wide regulation (or lack of regulation in the case of the US) and local implementation at the level of EU member states or individual companies.

    To follow through on your analogy, when I had my own business in the 90s, I could connect to my bank account directly from my PC, set up a new beneficiary and send an instant payment in just the time it took me to type out the sort code and account number, and that was over a 28k modem connection. The security of the transaction was entirely a matter for me and the bank.

    Nowadays, I'm told by my bank that I must have a smart phone and I must download their app to validate my activity and I must have enhanced security features enabled on said phone to use said app; then I'm asked for a password to open the app, and must receive a security code by SMS so as to be able to receive a code by e-mail to finally add my beneficiary; and then I have to jump through the same hoops again to actually make the payment. That's largely because this great US-led technological innovation that you praise has allowed so many idiots who shouldn't be let anywhere near the internet to hand their money over to scammers.

    There's a reason death rates in the US attributable to just about any metric are so much higher than the rest of the developed world: corporate greed and lack of regulation. Here in the EU, plenty of people moan about the obstacles to innovation and infamously blame the "faceless bureaucrats" - but we've been innovating in every field of science and technology for over 2000 years and have learnt the value of reasonable oversight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Well unfortunately she does seem to be quite an influential activist in New York so she's not some random nobody with no influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭bored65


    I ain’t arguing about regulations, they have their place and I fully support em especially if they level the playing field and create standards, I pointed out that often businesses avoid the European market not because they don’t want to make profit like the poster I replied to implied but because it’s less hassle to get going elsewhere first as there are still so many cross border and even in country barriers within Europe

    but you don’t have to listen to me, sure what would I know

    But you might listen to Draghi and Lagarde raising exact same points here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How often is "often" though? Pasting a Wikipedia link isn't much of an argument.

    Neither the EU nor the US are perfect but I'd choose the former over the latter any day of the week when one considers how screwed the least fortunate Americans are in terms of cost of living, healthcare, public services, etc… I know my salary would probably double if I went to, say Cambridge MA, but then so would the cost of rent and everything else and I'd get a lot less than the NHS here offers.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,356 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    If I understand things correctly, the woman said that dogs shouldn't be allowed inside in New York. This is not an outlandish statement. I, for one, think that anyone having anything other than a small dog in a city is being irresponsible and selfish.

    The man then retorted that he would choose a dog over any Muslim, and by extension, saying that despite the clear issues which exist with animals in a city environment, he classed all Muslims as a bigger problem.

    Have I got that right?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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