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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭CatLick


    And we wonder why there is a housing crisis. This immigration level is utterly reckless. It's like living in some sort of Multinational crossed with a Banana Republic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    Oh no no no. Immigration has zero impact on housing. Didn't you get the memo? Jeez..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Juran


    In fairness, I do believe there were a good few genuine visitors amongst those numbers. I have heard of half a dozen stories in the past year where eldery relatives were refused a visitor visas to meet their new grand babies, or see their children's graduation, from countries like Brazil, Philippines, India ... and they had no intention to work here. I agree it should be a fair and strict process. But the asylum system in Ireland makes a joke of the irish visitor visa process which is proving to be very strict. Then why cant they do the same with the asylum /IPA system ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    According to Duncan Smith the outstanding bench warrant and Seamie high tailing it over to America to avoid his day in court don't matter at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,187 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Competition for resources and services long before people started harping on about immigration . Before immigration same people were whinging about people on welfare .

    Not saying it's not an issue now just that it's nothing new . Crvp government for the last 20 to 30 years give or take a few , will do that .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    It was just used as a stick to beat Trump and the US with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Algerian fella in the UK scams an Irish passport. His solicitor says it was unbelievably easy to scam one and it's more difficult to get a contract with Vodafone! Inspiring stuff.

    Screenshot_20260215-210923.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Who would have thought no English speakers would put pressure on the local facilities and schools. Surely the focus goes on the non English speakers.

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22584428/

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Agreed, however mass immigration has made competition for resources and services more acute, prior to mass immigration there were little problems in getting kids in to local schools, there was relative ease in getting a doctor, roads were less congested, rents were cheaper and much more property to rent was available, purchasing power for consumers was alot better.

    You can point the finger of blame at the government all day long - and you would be correct to do so, however there are big differences in how people blame the government:

    People who want stricter immigration controls will blame the government for the lax policy around immigration.

    People who want more lax immigration controls will blame the government for not building enough for immigrants.

    Not forgetting the reality is that the current opposition would have handled it all alot worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,626 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    20% of the workforce are non-nationals. In your reduced immigration scenario, who would do the jobs 'not' taken up by the people declined entry to the country?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,187 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Typed up a response that disappeared somehow 😳

    So how do you know how the opposition would do ?

    The present crew have done the opposite of everything they have said prior to election so maybe the opposition would too ? 😊

    Also people had to book their children into schools when pregnant two to three decades ago , roads have always been congested and purchasing power and rented properties gave always been poor or lacking.

    The government are to blame for the state of the country but it's not like they care enough to do anything about it so people will be given another scapegoat to blame in order to avoid the awful prospect that maybe things will never be as good as we want ? That is unless someone else is voted in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    The Greens and Roderic O'Gorman were in government just a couple of years ago. O'Gorman was minister for integration for five years or so. We all saw how that went.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    By this logic, Ireland could not have functioned when we had a smaller population!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,187 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Not a Green fan girl so not surprised.

    Minority groupings are not Opposition just voices shouting in the wind .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Has anyone noticed the rise of restore Britain which is a much more hardcore version of Reform. If reform don't bring in the promised changes these guy's will be in next.

    It's scary to think what'll happen to us if Britain gets it's house in order. A mass exodus to the sanctuary country that is Ireland. Wouldn't surprise me if we seen a few boats setting off from France to come here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    Yep, and we'd have people welcoming them with open arms. If half of Lagos decided to hop on a few planes and come to Ireland we'd be told to shut up and just accept it.

    Wasn't there an incident a last year where a load of lads in a Congo prison escaped, broke into the women's prison then proceeded to rape and burn alive most of the women? If these lads decided to come here they'd be put up in a nice hotel, fed and let wander the streets of any small town or village they're out into.

    Here's the article.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgyrxz4k6zo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,626 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The current population and workforce 'is what it is'. Also, the pre-immigration version of Ireland often had long periods of recession and high unemployment. Yes, people could buy or rent houses and get places in schools and hospitals etc, but their overall standard of living was way below where we are now.

    The fact that young people these days can't buy a house or find accommodation is a total bummer and a disgrace for certain, but trying to pin it on immigration seems a bit misguided - it's more connected to poor governance and leadership. It's every government's job to provide sufficient houses, school places, hospital places etc for the population. Them saying "Nothing to do with us, Guv…..it's the fault of those pesky immigrants for coming here" would be a total cop out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    One of John Stuart Mill’s arguments for free speech was that exposure to ideas we disagree with keeps our counter-arguments fresh and incisive. These people have no idea what they’re up against and, so, make the feeblest of arguments. They genuinely think they can say something like, ‘But what about the health service?’, and immediately win the argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    How many extra people are required in the workforce though to support our increased population due to increased immigration? Our boom preceded the Eastern European accession states arriving here en masse in 2002, the huge increase in Brazilian students coming here to study English/work in the last 10 years, the major increase in Indians arriving here since Covid… We seemed to be managing just fine before they came here - they came here because the country was booming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    By this logic, countries with smaller populations than ours should not be able to cope! The flaw in your logic is that if you take on immigrants to perform services for the population, those immigrants (quite rightly) also require services as they themselves become the population.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Or my favourite, "We need them to pay for our pensions".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    We need a properly structured visa system and a strong efficient well balanced AS process which doesn't allow for an amnesty. Deportations orders mean leave.

    Only allow an appeal on a rejected AS application if it is done after a person has complied with the deportation order.

    I dont feel The problem immigration as such, its the mass immigration of people heavily dependent on the state long term and the optics of what gets handed out.

    Irish workers competing on rental market with Ukrainians eligible for 800 a month HAP. The same Ukrainians who were offered free third level education while Irish families had to stump up.

    Some of those AS/immigrants have been responsible for serious crime.

    • The double murder in sligo
    • The murder of Aisling Murphy
    • The school stabbings on Parnell Square
    • The Romanian insurance fraudster (and his family) with the best part of 2 dozen convictions in 30 years while never working, living it up with a fairly new year and a lovely 3 bed semi detached.
    • The Roma community who are nothing but a blight on Dublin city centre. Rampant shoplifting and using the streets for a toilet (I've witnessed this outside my office on Gardiner street several times)

    The IPAS centers who got lucrative state contracts were handed out to people under investigation by CAB (drogheda), Or the parent company of the hotel in Dundrum in Tipp which was not compliant with company law for several years and is now in Liquidation. Zero control at government department level and zero due diligence.

    The volume of people Coming into country who wont make any meaningful contribution and will be heavily dependent on state supports long term is a massive problem. I think thats where people in the main take issue.

    Too many stories of irish people with cancer having to fight for, and sometimes not get a medical card yet they are handed out like confetti to people who rock up here from safe countries seeking asylum, gaming the system as they are really economic migrants.

    All the while government ministers keep announcing money for Palestine, for Sudan, for Ethiopia, for wherever else they can send all the while Irish kids are dying or suffering due to a health service that trundle along at snails pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Has anyone noticed the rise of restore Britain which is a much more hardcore version of Reform

    The rise? Bit of a stretch.

    The lad who started has been in about a half dozen different parties.

    If he doesn't start another couple of parties before the GE, I imagine they will just dilute votes from Reform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    What parties would make up this alternative government?

    SF, SDs, Labour, PBP and Independents wouldn't have the numbers to form a government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Less migrants ,less services, less housing requirement ,less workers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,261 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    sob stories in the papers about ppl arrested in advance of deportation having to be put in prisons alongside hardened criminals etc while awaiting their deportation flight.

    As a taxpayer I want the best value possible in relation to the deportation system.

    They were able to “stand up” covid centres and emergency accommodation for the Ukraine arrivals.

    If they can’t act with similar urgency in this case, Instead of prisons rent a warehouse near the airport and fit it out specifically for deportees, with security.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,261 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    we desperately need a credible strong borders and pro-deportation party in this country.

    The likes of FF FG SF Soc Dems Greens and all the various lefties will NEVER deliver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,261 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Specifically it will be very revealing to see how the authorities deal with that so called Nigerian/South African/whatever yer having yerself failed asylum seeker woman with the HUGE sense of entitlement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Nigerian on a false south African passport apparently. A minor detail that wasn't mentioned in any of the media articles.



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