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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    Your current plan is a good plan and well priced but it has a 40% shortfall for Ophthalmic procedures. Similarly access health is another well priced plan but again it has the 40% shortfall. Level health plan B is fairly well priced but for Ophthalmic procedures you pay a co payment of €400 plus the hospital excess, so if overnight its an extra €300 bringing it to a total of €700.

    If its Ophthalmic procedure that is likely I would be looking at my plan 350 (€1,033.19 with discount via link) or My Plan 350 day to day (€1,105.70 with discount). The main advantage here is there is there is no co-payment/shortfall for Ophthalmic , just regular excess. The price point is excellent with the discount. Do bear in mind you have a 2 year upgrade rule for pre existig condistions so you would need to be on the plan for 2 years to claim the beneift or you would be linmited to the old VHI cover (with 40% shortfall).

    HIA link



  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭septicsac


    Hi Ruddy,

    I contacted Irish life today re cancelling my policy/not taking up renewal and they stated that as I was already an existing member I would not be able to avail of discounts on the plans, I presume I just cancel and then just order new plans online and hour or day later and there is nothing they can do, technically I would be a new customer anyway or has anyone tried this way ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭Looptheloop30


    Going to go level health plan b for all for 2k total. Its a cleaner sweep for us to do that than to have only one of us with the higher level in the grand scheme of things. Thanks for the help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭andrea1983


    Yeah, I mean most of what you say is just anecdotal nonsense. You can't get a consultant of your choice. Waiting lists for dermatology and neurology are broadly similar across public and private services for example. The new consultant contract, will succeed in introducing more equality in healthcare, but unfortunately that means that there'll be less access to timely care for more people.

    If a private room or a private hospital is what you want then have at it. But it's ridiculous to be paying the kind of money people are paying. It's a massive massive scam. I mean, you say people value it…but look at the profits for the private health insurers! I'd say the shareholders are laughing at them (I'm not, but I am happy that my portfolio is going up rather than down)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Ummm... Granted some private waiting lists for particular consultants can be crazy long if they are very popular but unfortunately the reality in this country is that having private health insurance can mean the difference between life and death, especially in terms of waiting times for investigative tests. I'm not sure if you're saying you'd never use private healthcare if the need arose (with your grand portfolio!) versus being anti private health insurance alone. Would be interesting to hear your view on the latter - i.e. do you believe health insurance premiums are better invested elsewhere and the returns used for private care if the need arises...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭andrea1983


    I'm really not sure this is the thread for an ideological discussion on health policy. I'd probably lean towards a bismarck system. i know of people who have been admitted to shoital and kept for several days just to wait for imaging. That's utterly utterly nuts. Often times radiographers don't work weekends. In sharp contrast, I had a mri not terribly long ago and had a wet read within minutes in a private faciliity on a saturday afternoon. A lot of outpatient radiology now is outsourced to the likes of affidea and alliance and provides a much improved service, but then you lose the training element. There's no reason, other than inefficiency that the public service can't match private.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭BullBauld


    Hi @ruddy1987, great information here fair play.

    I'm a 43 year old female on the 4d1 Health plan with Irish Life. Have been on this 15+ years and have never priced anything else.

    It's now costing me €1,920pa so I'm looking for something else with similar benefit but cheaper!

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,863 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    My insurance has taken a huge leap over the last few years too. Are there any companies, either based in Ireland, or perhaps Europe who will cover residents of Ireland, who will do a full medical on their customers to be able to offer a cheaper price?

    It doesn't seem fair that somebody who takes good care of their health has to pay the same as somebody who doesn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    it’s now awful value if I am being totally honest with you! Lots of way better options out there, main item I would say are you ok losing your personalised package? if so you have to great options, health guide 1 or health guide 2. If you are willing to cancel your existing plan and set up a new policy (no impact on your cover or having to serve any waiting periods) you can get healthguide 1 for €1,519 or healthguide 2 for €1,604 ( Health Insurance Quote )

    hia side by side :

    https://www.hia.ie/comparison-tool/results/3AARozQ5OaUxMTI0OcKQkAGhMKM2MDAAk80H6gINwpMDzQFDzQFElQcEBQkGkJGTpUFkdWx0AAHDww%3D%3D


    Either way you should be moving plan!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    It’s the nature of our community rated market that is different do most standard Insurance products where good behaviour would be rewarded and incentivised with lower premium. Insurers are legally not allowed discount more than 10% on any plan. You can’t have any barriers or restrictions on anyone joining any plan regardless of age or medical history. Insurers do certain things on plans to try and target certain demographics, ie shortfalls on orthopaedics are a common one as these procedures typically are more common in older people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭BullBauld


    Thank you very much for your reply ruddy, much appreciated 👍🏻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭mikka631


    Hi Ruddy,

    Coming up to retirement mid March and currently on Irish Life Horizon 4 plan for 2 adults which is due for renewal on 26th February.
    Looking to reduce the monthly premium yet retain some decent amount of cover. Maternity not likely to feature ;-) and generally both in good health.
    After using the HIA comparison tool I was thinking of Irish Life My Plan 350 Day to Day to get premiums close to €200 per month or should I look to switch insurers and what would be the pitfalls of doing that.
    Your advise would be most gratefully appreciated.

    Kind Regards
    Michael

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    my plan 350 with the discounts is a very well priced. There would be a big step down in cover from your current plan which is a private room plan. The other flag would be the big co payment on cardiac (€2,500).

    Given your age it’s probably not the wisest move to drop your cover as likely never go back. I’d strongly advise you consider something more like healthguide 2 at €1,604 (
    https://www.totalhealthcover.ie/health-insurance-quote?preselectedPlan=170H3D1 )

    This gives your semi private room with a low excess along with good cash back on day to day and no high tech cardiac excess.

    There is nothing wrong with my plan 350 day to day and it’s currently priced very well (nothing better with other insurers at this price point) but it’s a massive drop in cover from your current level and people usually look to not drop cover as you get older as you are more likely to need treatment and 2 year upgrade rule if you want to go back up in cover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭mikka631


    Hi Ruddy,

    Many Thanks for the speedy response.
    Healthguide 2 will be just about manageable as long as there are no huge increases in premiums coming up. Not really tempted by the private room plans, once I am inside a hospital getting treatment is my main consideration. Not likely to upgrade cover either unless finances get better in retirement.
    Again, Many Thanks for the response, it is much appreciated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭RodVelvet


    Hi Ruddy,

    Currently on 4D Health 1 with Irish Life, any recommendations to switch to a newer plan and save with similar cover?

    Thanks in Advance Rod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    it’s now awful value! So lots of options to have money. I would look at healthguide 1 or health guide 2 that will be an upgrade and much cheaper (specially if you cancel existing and set up new plan)




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭pm.


    Health guide 2 looks better than my PMI 45 10 I might swop over to it when my renewal is due



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    it has much lower hospital excess but it has only 50% coverage for GP and consultants. It also covers all private hospitals unlike your current plan which excludes Waterford and cork.

    Just FYI Health guide 2 likely to increase from 1st of April so if renewal after that might not be as attractive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 Joeyistheboss


    Good afternoon Ruddy. Another very appreciative poster here. You have really helped me through the quagmire of selecting my health insurance this year. Just to let others know, I was able to avail of the month free discount on the Irish Life website by just buying online. I’ve moved from 4D Health 1 to Health Guide 2 after reading through this entire thread! This was a bold move for me so I’m a bit nervous about getting a new policy number but this is exactly why we stay put and put up with bad value for money! Thank you so much for your invaluable insight and for sharing it with us.

    Should I be concerned that it states in the small print that these discounts only apply to new business policies taken out?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    nothing to be concerned about. You are new business when you take out a new policy.

    This can be useful also if people want to avoid price increases. For example if old plan runs to 1st of month and their is a price increase my advice is always to take out a new policy effective 31st of month before and you avoid the price increase.

    You have a nice improvement in cover with the move and a good premium saving so a great win. It’s a game of makes and ladders health insurance so making small changes each year can save money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭alanceltic


    Ruddy, your contributions to this thread are amazing, well done and thanks. Looking for your advice on two VHI policies (cant switch from VHI), early fifties, dublin based and looking for better value/reduction in cost from current policies. First policy is Company Plan Executive, I need access to Mater Private but dont need a private room, likely to be claiming against this in the near term so this is a must have, dont need any specific coverage for cardio, orthopaedics etc but would like low excess for consultants in general. Second policy is PMI 31 12, no specific requirements other than access to to likes of Beacon & Hermitage etc, looking for good coverage on everyday expenses and access to consiltants etc.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 Joeyistheboss


    Just to add to my previous post; after buying HG2 online to avail of the discount, I was then able to cancel my current policy at renewal date online through web-chat. I couldn’t face a conversation with a customer service agent who might question my choice. Very simple and straightforward. I also asked for confirmation that my insurance cover was not broken. Saved myself €350 and got a better policy. Downsides are having a co-payment of €3000 for ortho instead of €1500 and losing my travel insurance. Saw a bad review about trying to claim on the travel insurance so was happy to let that go. So here’s hoping my knees and hips are good for a while yet! So grateful to you Ruddy. Will be singing the praises of this thread 😁

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭NewClareman


    It is a matter of personal choice whether the cost of private health care is of sufficient benefit to justify the outlay. :)

    I agree with you that private health insurance is of limited, if any, value; in case of accident or a major health incident such as a heart attack. Regardless of your health insurance status, you'll be taken to your local A&E. However, in other cases it can give much quicker access to medical care, avoiding long public waiting times.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭NewClareman


    If it is immediately life threatening you should get seen quickly, in a public hospital.

    However many serious conditions have lengthy waiting times for treatment. Common conditions include cataracts and orthopaedic operations such as joint replacement. Some cancer treatments are also not available to public patients, but are to private. The list goes on…

    You are also far more likely to have a critical illness identified while still treatable, when going privately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Hi Ruddy,
    Hope the following makes sense, but after a job change we changed insurance packages. Stayed with the same insurer, Laya, but they could no longer offer the same dental benefits, for reasons beyond me.
    One of the kids had started treatment for braces before the policy finished, and we need to pick dental specific cover. Would you have a notion who is least likely to have issues with the fact that treatment has already started? And for a family of 4, one with braces, who would you plumb for, VHI or Decare? Thanks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    Based on the fact you want to stay with VHI options are limited. Company Plan Executive is expensive but has good cover, have a look at the few plans i have on the link below:

    https://www.hia.ie/comparison-tool/results/3AARozQ5OaUxMTI0OcKQkAGhMKM2MDAAk80H6gITwpU_zQEazQFyzQF3zQERlQcEBQkGkJGTpUFkdWx0AAHDww%3D%3D

    PMI 31 12 is currently ok value also, i included a few alternatives:

    https://www.hia.ie/comparison-tool/results/3AARozQ5OaUxMTI0OcKQkAGhMKM2MDAAk80H6gITwpNDO80BBJUHBAUJBpCRk6VBZHVsdAABw8M%3D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    Laya only offer dental to corporates. Most providers require you to serve the 18 month orthodontic waiting periods before you start, so id say with both DeCAre and VHI it might be a non runner. I would check with both before taking out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭NewClareman


    Hi Ruddy,

    If a specific corporate plan waives waiting periods for corporate customers on certain plans does this that private customers on the same plan also have their waiting period waived?

    Thanks in advance…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭ruddy1987


    no the waiting period waiver will only sit on the group scheme. It’s not related to the plan it’s a concession on the group scheme. Private customers would need to serve the standard waiting periods.



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