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Bord Bia Problem

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    The more I think about it, it's the FSAI we should be picketeted, not Bord Bia. Was it the EU who informed the FSAI or did FSAI do their own discovery testing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,038 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I read that it was the Northern Ireland food safety that informed the southern one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Shannonsurfer101


    My response to those questions asked will be around the mechanisms to prevent this happening in the future.

    I don’t want on to penalise Dawn Farms, they can process QA, non QA, UK and other European Beef, but if they or any other European purchaser uses Irish beef (both QA or non QA), it should come with a caveat that will not allow it to be used in supply contracts that use additional raw material from outside the EU and UK. The reason is simple, until they have water tight checks on their non-European imports, the brand image of all our Irish agricultural produce must have better projection.

    This contact may be worth millions to them, but id cut them lose if there putting our health and Agriculture export market at risk which generates Billions. We all work hard enough as it to create a very sought after product.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    We can debate the technical and legalese jargon all day, but the debacle is now more about IFA versus Govt than a case of right versus wrong.

    In hindsight, it looks like Francie and the IFA underestimated just how pee-d off Govt were with them and how hard they'd fight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The Govn't spent a lot of EU political capital voting against the Mercosour deal, for the optics at home. That's why they're peed off with farm orgs.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Govt also made the case in Europe for the nitrates derogation a few months back.

    And now the uppity little farmers won't turn a blind eye to a little bit of hypocrisy by one the Govt's own. Aren't we the ungrateful bunch who need to have manners put on us 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Did they? It was in the programme for government that they'd vote against the Mercosur deal. It wasn't and shouldn't have been news to the EU that a rejection was their intention



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,596 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    How bar the optics,if the Irish voting against it had ment it didnt pass, you could argue yes, but it was simply giving party rural tds a easy win...

    Good luck to any of the above when they go looking for the rural vote at the next election, they'll be ran out of yards if they keep Larry in his role



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I’m not a member but slipped into the back of the IFA’s public meeting with councillors in Waterford this evening.

    The Munster Chair spoke very well and explained clearly the conflict of interest issue that should have caused Murrin to step down weeks ago. Or be removed by the Minister when he didn’t.

    All councillors seemed to understand (when they were in a room full of farmers!) but I don’t know if that’ll be fed back to Dublin. Hopefully it will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Barry Cowen MEP goes full in on support for Murrin. I wonder why?

    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/cowen-tells-meps-of-personalised-campaign-against-murrin/

    Whether one agrees or not with either side, it's not a personalised campaign. A N Other in the same position would be in the cross hairs. Cowen seems to be taking his line directly from Murrin.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Govt have also given a hostage to fortune by backing Murrin to the hilt. What if there’s another issue with him around governance, another conflict of interest, or more Brazilian beef? It’s rare these business lads are squeaky clean.

    He’s only in the job a wet week compared to how long Bord Bia has been in operation. Do FF and FG know him that well and trust him so much that they stake their reputation on him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    What about the hostages in the head quarters. Any word of them today? It's tough going and them with their day jobs or farms to look after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Tileman


    yea it’s not really getting momentum the way ifa imagined. They are backed into a corner now. They need an off ramp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭The Rabbi


    The leader of the duopoly must have a use for him there.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I missed the start of the meeting but I’m guessing they got a mention then. It’s tough going on them to manage home life and stay protesting in Dublin too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Whoever the politicians have allegiances to, whether it be Europe or party coffers from political donations they are in for some rude awaking in the next election whether it be local or national. I have never witnessed a mood as strong amongst farmers since the beef protests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    When i was involved in protesting I'd never run into a building. Like now it was usually easier to walk into the building than walk out. Ithink it was 2000 when they got into the department of agriculture building whenthey wouldn't let them use the toilets, apparently the story was they used a bucket. there was women in the building too.

    They were very pleased when the Foot and Mouth story broke and they had to leave the building to concentrate on more important things



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    They're great to stay in there, I wonder are they getting food. I thought Richard Moeran was looking shook.

    Apparently they wont let you back if you walk out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I have no evidence to back this up only feelings.

    This is an orchestrated gig by the grain growers group. They were originally set up with international help by the VFluence lobbying and bullying club. They have members in Ireland through the agronomy and chemical groups. They had an online group that included journalists as well till some in australia infiltrated the group and leaked it to the Gardian newspaper. One member in Ireland already admitted to being in the group. They were to lobby against organic and livestock production. And promote arable with the most chemical and fertiliser use. In Ireland in the group it's being called promoting productive farming with 4 and 5ton crops being held as the aim. Teagasc are letting them away with it.

    The group have paid journalists and lobbyists in Ireland. Their first victim was Phil Hogan. They got him out of his EU commissioner job on golfgate from people following him. Their next was Barry Cowen got on driving offences four years before his appointment to the minister of Ag. Those two would have been cow/beef people. They had to be got rid of as far as the group was concerned.

    The aim of the group is to make controversies that don't link back to themselves. A local son of a tillage farmer that farms over 1000 acres did a Nuffield scholarship on beef cattle in Brazil. His father is definitely in the grain growers group. This report was out lately and maybe he showed Adam Woods the show in Brazil using the Nuffield as cover. Murrin was known about too for years. There was no secret and the EU had limits on the amounts allowed.

    Still on the journal. Jack Kennedy was a cow man and the editor of the paper. He was gotten rid of prior to this. That left Adam Woods, Siobhan walsh and Aiden Brennan in the journal. Aiden Brennan was totally pro cow till Siobhan brought him to the heartland of Vfluence, ADM's headquarters in Illinois. After, he deleted his tweets about the dairy herd in Johnstown castle sequestering carbon at the rate of 3 ton per acre per year and his picture of the boards about the tillage farms emitting carbon.

    Those in the first place never made it into the press in Ireland. Siobhan is also the environment editor in the journal as well as arable and it would have been her job to report it in the paper. She didn't. Aiden did so but only as tweets which he pulled down after his ADM visit with Siobhan.

    The grain grower group want Murrin out and their own put in. Most likely the way they are talking a teagasc representative with no experience of selling or commerce. They want all cereal imports stopped and straw imports stopped. They want russian urea. And they want the Bord Bia takeover of IGAS stopped.

    (as an aside Jack Kennedy had the representative of the Irish Rural Association at the Tullamore show ask the panel why should cattle farmers suffer if they are asked to use less meal from outside ireland. Siobhan on the panel didn't like it one bit. Jack is gone since and the Irish Rural Association have changed their tune by 180 degrees and have the same spiel as the grain growers.)

    Cattle and dairy farmers are collateral damage to all this scheming and planning.

    Some of that is real and some is speculation but I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the VFluence group weren't putting the money into the anti livestock billboards that were around the country. All the IFA could do was ask politely where the money was coming from.

    The grain growers have totally taken over wexford IFA and the propaganda is constant about grain growing on the local radio as well as the meetings.

    Anyway sin e that's off my chest. All of us only see the 1% of what is going on. And the slimy guy talking nice to you is really stabbing you in the back and wanting to use you for their own ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    TBH if it a once off mistake the department or BB will not penalise a farmer. They allow for genuine mistakes. If it happens a second or third time then yes you are in trouble. Most test results take a month plus to come back so it will enter the food chain anyway. Milk admittedly is different but beef is a longer term test.

    Take Musgraves its has 4 outlet brands. Supervalu, Centra, Mace and Daybreak. All with different supply criteria. You have similar setups in the UK. Tendering into such a varied retailer in the UK where you are competing against processors that have access to Australian and NZ beef means that Dawn foods might not be able to tender in.

    These large retailers will want varied products from Red Tractor, to Irish QA, product, to non QA product and to beef, pork and chicken sourced outside the EU.

    No procrssors will replace Irish or English beef QA, non QA or Red Tractor with Brazilians beef because nearly all Brazilians beef has the Zebu gene and it is too easily identified.

    There is a greater risk of Polish or Australian beef being swapped but no risk of Brazilian beef being used. But evenbthat is low because of genetic code of bulls used.

    The deal on the derogation was linked to an undertaking that the Irish Government would look favourably/vote for Mercour agreement. Voting against burnt a lot of bridges in Europe wven if the vote was gauranteed to suceed. IFA now causing a rumpus is burningnit bridges and credibility with the government.

    When MHR came out onside with the government it should have opened peoples eyes to reality.

    Who are you going to vote for....the social Democrats, the Greens, SF or one of the independents.

    You be as well getting a double barrel shotgun and aim at you foir, with the double barrel you could get both legs.

    The idiots can walk out the door any time they want. Humble pie is good for the soul every now and again.

    You are spot on. Not the first time they read the room wrong

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Bass you have a fair argument but if the processors are capable of putting f%<:*>king HORSE into product they are capable of anything.

    It seems the producers are now policing the police.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭Rusheseverywhere


    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/cowen-tells-meps-of-personalised-campaign-against-murrin/

    Cowen who is very pro farmer is not in favour of the protest

    "Cowen told the European Parliament that there was a "contradiction" in taking issue with sourcing beef from Brazil, while Ireland sources grain from the Mercosur trading bloc in South America (of which Brazil is a member) for animal feed.

    "The whole episode also laid bare a contradiction; condemnation of these miniscule imports while relying on Mercosur grain every day for our own livestock, all while losing focus on real issues, like CAP [Common Agricultural Policy] reform, trade volatility and farm incomes," the Midlands North-West MEP said."

    Funny enough my own point! Bluetoungue a massive issue marts seem back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They8 got caught with horse meat with genetic testing, when Brazilian beef came in orginally 20 years ago it was the Zebu gene that allowed the naming and shaming of resturants, pubs and hotels using it. The last time with horse meat the retailers did not sue as they were half aware of what was happening. If a processors supplied them product not within there specification they will now go to court.

    I know the antics processors get up to. If IFA wanted to help ordinary farmers its looking for pricing equality for the ordinary suppliers it should be at rather than acting the maggot as they are doing now

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Its all tied into that tbh. The cartel are absolutely ridding ordinary beef finishers now, so nobody has sympathy for them.

    They haven't learnt since the beef tribunal, its all about absolute greed nor will they because psd is their language.

    They really f"^"red up the sheep industry through buying massive quantities of lamb in the UK at this time of the year and processing them in Irish plants. They wounder why there's an exit of sheep farmers.

    If south America beef becomes a norm in one of the world's biggest producers of beef it will be time to get your coat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭kk.man


    When Murrin mentioned the none Irish grain used in animal feed in the Oireachtas, he stooped very low, he was wining at that stage, he had a group of very ignorant politicians who had not a clue of their brief.

    His cartel like structure is very similar to the beef game. They base the grain price (despite providing seed and inputs) off the the imported genetically modified cheep imports to down Irish grain producers. How low can you get.

    The grain merchants are well known to be at one with the barons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,596 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Started buying direct here of a local tillage that grows us maize too, 240 a ton for a 60/40 rolled wheat and oats mix, bits of a balls as have to tip in a shed etc, with a bin idle in the yard that i use for course ration ...

    But the millers are all 290-300 a ton for the above mix and its imported pigeon feed a lot of the time...

    If millers need 80 euro plus a ton on-top of green price, if tillage men got their way 360-400 a ton would be the cost of a rolled grain delivered on farm, its dreamland stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A message fro.Bosrd Bia

    https://www.bordbia.ie/a-message-from-bord-bia

    What is interesting Larry Murrin has taken no renumeration from BB even though there is some he could

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    The problem isn't Bord Bia, it's the chair of the board. Bord Bia can say they do X, Y and Z and no doubt they do all of those and to a high standard. The problem is, the chair of the body doesn't even have his own company accredited, is undermining Irish produce and has the gall to defend himself to the hilt, while also getting the government to do likewise. How can the chair of a body like Bord Bia think there's no issue with his own food business not being part of the body.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,596 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Christophers duffys video today on Willie aird is the funniest video ive seen in a long time, aird then replies underneath it after been called a c**t in it haha



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    The ifa jumped on this because independent ireland stole the limelight on mercurser and they thought it would be over quickly and they d get a nice bit of pr.they are now in a situation where they have no leverage and the clock is against them



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