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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Yes, the thread is about Israel attacking Iran, it is not about Gaza, that is for a different thread, but you keep dragging the discussion back to Gaza.

    As someone who visited Iran some decades ago, I do have a concern for the ordinary people of Iran. It is legitimate to have a discussion about the repressive regime of Iran on this thread. Because I have been to Iran (and never been to Israel or Gaza), it is actually more legitimate for me to have a conversation about Iran because I know something about the place rather than about Gaza.

    If I only talk about Iran rather than Israel, because I have only been to Iran and not Israel, that is perfectly acceptable and not in the least hypocritical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What a disingenuous post. You can’t criticise the killing of a Down syndrome Palestinian because you have never been to Gaza, yet are outraged that people who have never been to Iran, will condemn Iranian brutality.

    Post edited by SafeSurfer on

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    No, I am not in the Gaza thread, that is why I am not commenting on the off-topic whataboutery that you introduced to this thread about a Palestinian.

    I have explained that the reason I am more interested in Iran and am commenting on this thread, and have never stepped into the Gaza thread is because I have been to Iran and have an interest in what happens there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    That’s ridiculous JohnDoe. The Iran/Israel conflict is directly related to events in Gaza.
    Israel attacked the Iranian consulate in Damascus and later killed a Hamas leader in Tehran.
    Iran struck Israel in retaliation and Israel subsequently attacked Iran in June of last year, in part to degrade its ballistic missile capability and ability to attack Israel.

    It is entirely disingenuous to attempt to gatekeep discussions about Iranian brutality but declare Israeli brutality as out of bounds. To condemn the killing of a young Iranian woman by Iranian forces but claim you cannot condemn the killing of a Down syndrome Palestinian man by Israeli forces because it is “whataboutery”.
    Why can you not bring yourself to condemn the killing of a vulnerable human being, savaged by a dog, by the Israeli military?
    You would be the first person on this thread to condemn Iranian forces for doing it.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Absolute nonsense.

    Should I be spouting on this thread about the Russians killing Ukrainians, or the way the Cuban regime has treated its own people, or the Chinese threats to Taiwan, or the horrific state of North Korea, if you wanted that as well?

    This thread is not about Gaza or Sudan or Ukraine or Cuba.

    You are introducing Israeli actions in Palestine as some sort of point-scoring to downplay what the Iranian regime is doing to its own people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So in a thread about an Israeli attack on Iran you want discussion of the Iranian regime but not of the Israeli regime.

    You claim to be appalled at the death, suffering and brutality of people but in truth your faux outrage is dictated by who is committed the brutality and killing.

    I absolutely condemn the killing of Masha Amini in Iran, she was killed by Iranian police. You won’t condemn the killing of Mohammad Bhar because he was killed by Israeli soldiers.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If they were accepted without much scrutiny it maybe because their figures were generally seen as reliable in the past. It now appears even the IDF accept their figures as correct. Also you may recall at one stage they revised downwards figures they had published. This would contradict the narrative that their intention was to deliberately mislead by inflating the numbers. It might suit zerosquared and other Israeli apologists to suggest their figures could not be trusted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Not even western politicians believe reports from the IDF terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Oh dear me. Didn't even think my post could be so badly misinterpreted. Some things really do run deep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Maybe if independent journalists were allowed into Iran and Gaza the figures could be verified to your satisfaction. Or if heavy equipment like bulldozers were not restricted from entering Gaza, the human remains under the rubble could be recovered and counted.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Palestinian attachment to their lands run deep which is why the ethnic cleansing will fail, it will have to be done through genocide of a people by Israel and the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    There is no misinterpreting your refusal to answer certain questions and trying to control what gets discussed. Of course zerosquared you could prove this perception wrong by finally condemning the murder of Mohammad Bhar. Also by answering Safesurfer's question to you from earlier in the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    I don't think I've seen anywhere on any thread on any site, a supporter of Israel, even when presented with absolute proof, condemn any situation where the Israelis have committed atrocities, even the parading of the rapist IDF beast on national TV gets either welcomed or completely ignored. Disgusting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    This seems to sum up the delay in the US attack.

    The United States has been pushing for a renewed set of negotiations, aimed at reaching a deal over Iran’s nuclear program, the very same move that was used to set up an Israeli surprise attack last year. This is not a serious effort and appears more than anything to be aimed at stalling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    US are still moving assets into the region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Seems like Iran has repeated that it won't develop nuclear weapons.

    Will carry on it's civilian enrichment program but at an agreed level under supervision. In return agreement for lifting of sanctions.

    They have rejected any discussions on quitting support for the Palestinian resistance groups and limits on ballistic missile ranges.

    Netanyahu wants limits on missiles and quit support of the groups.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Yes I was listening to some military observers saying they don’t have enough assets to sustain an attack on Iran with what they had in the Persian gulf. So that makes sense.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    ..

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    The dog street knows this is all at the behest of Israel, the idea that Iran would develop a weapon to attack the US really boggles the mind.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    OSINT based on Chinese satellite imagery confirms that the US has deployed a further THAAD battery to the Middle East.
    Basing it in Jordan. https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/chinese-satellites-expose-us-thaad-deployment-jordan-space-enabled-battlefield-transparency/


    The US operates 7 THAAD batteries, 3 of which are now directly assigned to defence of Israel.
    In the June 2025 war, more than 150 THAAD were launched, approx ¼ of the stockpile and the production rate is currently 96 per annum (planned ramp to 400).


    Current intercept doctrine is to fire 2 per target.
    That changed at the end of the 12day war as stocks depleted.
    The Israelis must be exerting huge pressure to ensure the US deploys 50% of its available interceptor batteries and likely the entirety of its war reserve of THAAD interceptors to defend Israel.

    Each single THAAD interceptor costs $12.7million. The Patriot PAC 3, SM3 and SM6 which are also ABM capable, all also cost multiple millions each.
    Last year I highlighted how expensive missile defence is, the Iranians will honestly IMHO have doubled down on their Ballistic Missile forces as it offers them a quick means of economic exhaustion of Israeli/US ability to defend.

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    The Israeli/US forces will need to quickly establish and maintain air supremacy and have aircraft over Iran 24/7 ala Gulf War 1 Scud hunters.
    It's certainly possible they can do it.
    But?
    Much of that potential ability will depend on just how well the Iranians can integrate and operate the new Chinese weapons that have been delivered.

    Without knocking out the Iranian launchers far more successfully than they managed last June?
    This quickly exceeds available stockpiles of Missiles and Money to prevent impacts in Israel and US bases.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    unverified death toll in Iran is the worst, or as you bizarrely put it, the “most violent massacre of the 21st century”.

    I will repeat, at least 3,100 people were murdered by the regime with reports it could be as high as 36,000.
    Yes, either way this will go down as one of the worst massacres of protesters of the 21st century.
    For reference, the Tiananmen square massacare of 1989 was aprox 300, so what happened in Iran is at least 10 times worse than that and could be 100 times worse than that.

    You seem very whatever about it, and continue to spend your time and energy defending this regime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,323 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    At this stage, it seems you are arguing that any protester or civilian at all was killed by the Iranian regime.
    But it was very interesting that you accepted the figures from Hamas without question, but figures from, say, the HRANA as 'propaganda'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I’m afraid I don’t understand your post Mark.

    There is a figure for fatalities from the Israeli attacks on Gaza from that has been cited by the UN, aid agencies on the ground in Gaza, and by US and Israeli officials. This does not include those Palestinians under the rubble of what remains of Gaza or those who have been vaporised by Israeli thermal bombs.
    Israel does not accept the number of people it has killed just as Iran does not accept the number of people it has killed.
    In both cases, I believe the Israeli regime and Iranian regime are downplaying the fatalities and certain groups are promoting inflated fatalities, such as 50,000 plus in Iran and 680,000 in Gaza, for propaganda purposes.

    What fatality figures are you arguing are factual in a) Gaza and b) Iran?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Who killed over 200 Iranian police? Peaceful protestors?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It is a strange feature of the anti-American Irish left to support any country that stands against the US, no matter what they do to their own people.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98dmq03n92o

    There are even those who somehow claim that what is happening in Afghanistan is all the fault of the US. It is strange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Well it certainly suits you to frame all opposition to American foreign policy that way to excuse your own position. If you were a good faith poster, as well as not avoiding answering questions, you'd acknowledge that it's a perfectly reasonable stance to oppose both the US and oppressive regimes . On the latter i find it strange that, as we have seen throughtout this thread, you accuse others of running cover for an unsavoury regime, whiles you refuse repeated invitations to condemn another unsavoury regime who oppress people and kill them. I wonder why that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like US and Iran are moving closer to an understanding according to the Turkish foreign minister who has been mediating between the two. Better than setting the whole region and potentially the whole global economy on fire i suppose

    “It is positive that the Americans appear willing to tolerate Iranian enrichment within clearly set boundaries,” Fidan told the FT.

    “The Iranians now recognize that they need to reach a deal with the Americans, and the Americans understand that the Iranians have certain limits. It’s pointless to try to force them.”

    Fidan also told the FT he believes Tehran “genuinely wants to reach a real agreement” and would be willing to accept caps on enrichment and a strict inspection regime, similar to the terms of the 2015 nuclear deal with the US and other powers.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Hopefully something can be agreed soon….

    In the meantime,still tons of US assets pouring into the region. They seem to be gearing up for the long haul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It is fair comment that the Irish far left-wing have been stronger in their criticisms of the US while giving a free pass to the likes of Russia, Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, North Korea and China over the last decade. You can try and reduce this discussion to having a go at posters, but I am not going there.

    When I talk about the far left in this context, I am talking about Murphy and Boyd-Barrett, Connolly, Wallace and Daly, Sinn Fein, and unfortunately, the Social Democrats who seem to have also been sucked into this void of madness.

    Posters on here can claim to be even-handed, I am not going to dispute those claims, but you can't claim the same about the politicians I have mentioned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It is fair comment that the Irish far left-wing have been stronger in their criticisms of the US while giving a free pass to the likes of Russia, Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, North Korea and China over the last decade.

    Bullshit.



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