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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,112 ✭✭✭riddles


    When it was clear a long time ago Slot was done we had a lot of posters here saying thank god FSG are the experts and its great we have adults in the room blah blah here we staring at no CL footie absolutely Hughes and or Edwards have to go. Im no fan of Slot but their lack of leadership has been pretty poor.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    It's pretty amazing that it's only the start of February and CL football already looks a very long shot, it's a good few seasons since we've been in that situation, even the season we missed out a few years ago we were in the mix until the last few games. At the moment we look more likely to slip down the table further, than to climb up to 5th!

    The squad is so thin, even for the cup game next week, there isn't much options for rotation, always in the past, we could make 5 or 6 changes to the team and still put a decent side out, against Sunderland we're going to have a bench full of youngsters and players Slot doesn't want to play, not that he wants to play the youngsters either, so we are unlikely to see any substitutions unless really required.

    We are in a bad state and an awful lot of work is required for whoever is the manager and director of football next season. Anyone who thinks we will challenge for a title next season without substantial change is in dreamland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,358 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


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    To say Salah would not control it, and shoot on goal before someone cleared it, is stupid. He was straight in, keeper was going walkabout, in fact he could have struck it straight away to score, goal was empty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,358 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


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    At this point, where Salah would shoot, other player is not even across to ball yet, keeper not set from his walkabout, Salah would have left footed it around the upright keeper



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,358 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Salah for sure was getting a shot away, into an empty net straight away, or around the keeper if he wanted to run ball on closer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,535 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    He won the league last season with 4 games to spare there is no need to be going back that far, the results this season are bad enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    We are odds on with the bookies to finish top 5. Hardly a long shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,390 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    The bookies don't always perfectly reflect a likely outcome, they reflect betting patterns and protection of the bookies exposure. Liverpool are very popular and as such will always gather emotional bets which distort the odds.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,190 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Opta have us more likely to finish outside the Top 5:

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    Here's how it looked before the season kicked off..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    If we've learnt one thing over the years, it's that you need to keep changing managers and sporting directors regularly to guarantee success.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,873 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    After the first 17 games this season we had 29 points

    27 points from 9 wins v Bournemouth, Newcastle, Arsenal, Burnley, Everton, Aston Villa, West Ham, Brighton, Spurs

    2 points from draws v Sunderland and Leeds

    6 losses to Crystal Palace, Chelsea, United, Brentford, Man City, Forest

    What am I missing? 29 points from his first 17 games is over 1.7 points per game but you are saying 1.24?

    That's not even close



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    We are 4 points off 5th, our form isn't great, plus the teams above us are in much better form, unless we have a dramatic improvement in form or some of the teams above us have a serious dip, we won't be getting top 5. We are actually barely staying ahead of the teams below us, Everton can overtake us tonight for example. The current circumstances don't back up those odds, they are skewed by the fact Liverpool have a large following as another poster pointed out.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,190 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    I believe it's approx 1.24 points per game in the 17 games since our opening 5 wins (now 20 games since the opening 5 with about the same PPG), but yeah the stat listed above is not correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    I posted this in early October.

    Slot himself said teams figured him out in the second half of the season. I think the confidence through the team from the first half of the season and the point gap we had in February helped us hold our nerve to get over the line but we were stumbling up to the Spurs game.

    With the new summer signings this did not really change and it's still a case that teams know how to set up against us with us not having a tactic to win a game. Slot said himself in an interview it relies on moments of magic from individuals.

    He doesn't do himself any favours with the things he says. If we rely on moments of individual magic to win a game then he's basically saying he has no input to our victories bar putting the first 11 players and hoping for the best.

    I still think he'll get the rest of the season and be evaluated then.

    We all knew that Rodgers should have gone in the summer after losing the last game of the season was it 5-1 or 6-1 to Stoke but he was kept, I think mainly because Klopp was identified but maybe would not commit that early.

    It may be the same with Slot. He's being kept with the alternative being lined up.

    It's mad to think we were 7 points behind Arsenal in November and 1 point behind City. It does feel like a wasted season in that Slot would not make changes to the system same as Amorim and Ten Haag before him.

    I also think one of the problems he gave himself at the start of the season was the rush to get Isak playing. He should have left him get more training under his belt instead of putting him in ahead of Ekitike who was showing form and scoring goals.

    Putting Isak in to start games too early probably set him back in the long run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,873 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah I keep seeing people cherry picking stats to make Slot look worse it seems

    In this case the poster literally started his post with "To be completely fair" and then decided to use a points-per-game that excludes 5 wins? Like come on, if you're just going to ignore games because we got the points then of course it'll look worse!

    And why would we exclude wins v Arsenal the best team in the league? Or the Merseyside Derby? Or a tricky away game at Newcastle where the fans rabidly hated us because of summer transfers?

    The only reason is to make it look worse

    And then on top of that, pretend that the 17 game run was "after the first 17 games this season" when we all remember those 5 wins at the start of the season!

    I don't get how that is being "completely fair", and even though the post was on Sunday night, it's now Tuesday and nobody else challenged it in the meantime and 4 posters 'thanked' the post

    I'm absolutely no fan of our teams performances or results this season, but come on if we're going to be completely fair we can still say it's crap without ignoring wins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,190 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Yeah by tonight we could be sitting in 7th place 7 points off 5th, and then we have to go to Sunderland (where no away team has won this season) and win to claw back to within 4 points again.

    Unfortunately our fate is almost entirely resting on the teams above us being significantly worse than us for the rest of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Did anyone see it mentioned anywhere if that last (non) goal by city was checked for offside? I can only find full speed replays but it looks tight if one of Haalands legs crossed the halfway line as the pass was made and with only one player back he would have been off?


    As for the pull on Salah it’s surely not even a debate it was a 100% red and either a mistake or officials choosing not to give yet another decision to Liverpool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,190 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Nah he's definitely in his own half when the ball is released

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,873 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Not that tight I don't think, ball had clearly left the foot while Haaland was still in his own half

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    On YouTube you can watch at 0.25 speed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Yeah looks fine, looked closer in real time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,190 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Another needless punch down imo

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    Nobody has said anything remotely like Ramsay being the best player in the squad, fans have simply questioned why we would keep a RB on the bench who can't even get game time when every single senior RB is injured, instead hindering the team by playing our best midfielder there.

    Giving Ramsay a few minutes might not work out, sure I accept that, but things aren't working out right now anyway.

    We'll never maintain a squad capable of playing twice per week if this is how he speaks about his fringe players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,873 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Ramsay has never played a single minute in the Premier League. He has 2 appearances in the Championship and 11 appearances in League One across spells at 3 different clubs

    That's the extent of his league experience in 4 seasons in England

    He's not a realistic option. He's only registered in the squad because we had a free spot. Had we signed Geertruida 2 weeks ago he would not even be in the PL squad anymore.

    Yes he's been on the bench but again why not if he's training? Lucky and Morrison have been on the bench too, Rhys Williams too I think?

    Doesn't mean much. He's clearly not of the level and I don't get why he's constantly being brought up as if just because he's a right back by trade it must mean he's a better option than Endo or Jones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I'd say he'll start Endo at right back against Sunderland. His aerial presence would probably be helpful.

    It's going to be a difficult game to say the least, if we could get a win there it would be massive for our hopes of CL. We really need our forward players to step up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭Libertine07


    He's an option in the same way that Phillips and Williams were for Klopp. He may not be a world beater but he's part of this squad and the manager should be more careful about how he speaks about him.

    It wouldn't kill him to say "Calvin is working hard in training and we're happy to have him as an option" instead of **** on him in front of the press.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Endo is more defensive minded than Jones but Jones can get us up the field faster and get crosses in.

    I would have Endo as the 6 push Grav and MacAllister up and Jones RB.

    Drop Gakpo and have Wirtz on the left with Ekitke and Salah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,873 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I think he's more like Ben Davies was an option for Klopp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭Libertine07


    And did Klopp ever make critical comments about Davies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,369 ✭✭✭brevity


    Klopp didn’t use Phillips and Williams until the last resort either, preferring to put Fabinho and others into the defence.

    Slot probably fucked up a bit with his comments on Ramsay, he was a bit better today. People don’t trust Slot at the moment it seems so they cannot take his word that Ramsay isn’t good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,190 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Yeah Klopp played Fabinho and Henderson at CB and it didn't work out, not necessarily because they couldn't defend but because our midfield was then deprived of them and therefore the team overall was worse.

    It's the same situation with Szobo, he's not necessarily a bad RB, but the team is so much worse with him missing from the midfield.

    Imo if you want to get back to basics and get the team humming again the easiest way to do it is to play as many players as possible in their best positions, it's what Klopp realised when he put Hendo and Fab back in midfield and started playing Phillips and Williams - they were inexperienced and raw, but they were actual CBs and they allowed our best midfielders to play in midfield.

    They weren't 2 of the 11 best players in the squad, but they allowed us at the time to line up with the highest number of talented players in their best roles, instead of playing our explicit best 11 players in whatever positions were open.

    Idc if it's Ramsay, Endo, or Jones at RB tomorrow night, but if Szoboszlai comes back from suspension and Slot is still using him as a fullback I'll be very frustrated. He is very clearly our best midfielder right now, he should be in midfield. Even if his RB replacement doesn't do as well at RB as he did, our midfield will be way better if he's in it. It's a net positive for the team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975




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