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Ryan Tubridy - From Virgin to Youtube **Mod: Read OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The clip with the interview. I didn't listen to it yet.

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22582449/



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Please can I come back to RTE! I’ve really changed! Please Mr Bakhurst Sir!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    Again worth repeating, if his UK career had gained traction he would not be trying so hard to be visible now in what's left of the license fee broadcasting space.

    If he's raising his flag to see who salutes he also has to bear the reminders of why he was "released" from RTE.

    He still hasn't learned that you can't frame the narrative in the internet age by disabling the comments.

    Edit to add that if RTE conceded to his courting in any way it would most likely reinvigorate the fall in license fees seen in the aftermath of the Barter acc revelations.

    Regardless of the machinations of the scheme there was nothing normal or noble about it to defend.

    Post edited by yagan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭hawley


    Tbh, I think that the overwhelmingly negative reaction to his latest interviews has completely finished whatever chance he had of returning to RTE. Look at the comments on the Ireland AM YouTube clip. Wall to wall negativity about him. Bringing him back is not worth risking for the DG of RTE.

    Communication was the greatest fatality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 876 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    It's also worth repeating that we were always told that those high salaries were essential to prevent the galaxy of stars being snapped up by the competition.

    Where is that competition now?

    One outcome of this surely has to be that the remaining RTE personalities will be forced to be much more realistic in their negotiations from now on. Faced with the alternative of wandering in the TV wilderness like Tubs, they will be much more willing to accept more modest pay deals. Good news for those who pay for their TV license. (Not me, haven't had one in years!)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    He seems impervious though to any criticism of the damage he inflicted upon his own career.

    In contrast his successor to the LLS has been very upfront about fees and paying for his own travel expenses.

    It's like we're witnessing another Graham Linehan type career self sabotage where he'll just spin himself out throwing punches at past shadows.

    Ironically I can see Tubs believing he's bearing a cross like Graham Linehan's character Henry Sellers, "I made the BBC!"

    Has he possibly cracked?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭csirl


    No GDPR request would cost 100k. This is nuts and shows us there's still something very wrong with how RTE spends money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It is neither good nor bad news for licence fee payers. Through all the increases and subsequent reductions in salaries since 2008, the licence fee has remained the same.

    Negotiations will be done directly with the contractors (personalities), no agents involved. Claire Byrne negotiated her RTE contract, employing a solicitor to give it the once over. She was not happy with the terms offered when it came up for renewal, and got a much better deal from Newstalk. Pat Kenny was also motivated to move to Newstalk back in the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 876 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    I was thinking more along the lines of value for money for license payers. A smaller slice of their fee will go on ludicrous salaries, leaving more to be spent on quality TV.

    Optimistic, I know, when you think about things like the Panti payout and those flipflops…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Not the way it works I think. RTE gets a fixed share, and they have to spend it whatever way seems best. If there was higher compliance, that would make a lot more cash available. The Broadcasting Fund gets a share, and that would also be more cash if there was higher compliance. That fund is often mentioned on non RTE stations as the provider of finance for some of their output.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 876 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    Would their presenters salaries not have been paid out of their fixed share?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    Comment deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    And the salaries of all the RTE employees. Obviously from advertising revenue as well, and maybe other sources which I will not try to research. And with so many new licence fee defaulters, general taxation is filling some gaps. Which puts the cost of those who won't pay on to the rest of us.

    The salaries for Personalities is a very small part of the payroll overall. But it gets adverse attention beyond what is warranted.

    "This follows the publication by RTÉ in February 2023 of earnings for its highest-paid presenters in 2020 and 2021, and the correction of the public record in relation to the information RTÉ previously provided regarding Ryan Tubridy’s earnings from RTÉ during the period 2017-2022. The total cost of RTÉ’s highest earning presenters represents less than 1% of RTÉ’s total operating costs." (from an article on the internet).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 876 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    OK, but that was my point. Even if it's only 1% of their costs, a smaller slice of their spending will be directed towards their 'stars', leaving more for production of actual TV. (Again, I know this is optimistic but the point stands.)

    And to clarify, I haven't had a TV license in a long time because I haven't had a TV in a long time. If they try to bring in the 'broadcasting charge' I'll have to either take a stand or cough up but for now I'm fully above board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    How would putting say a limit of €100K on salaries improve the output?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 876 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    I'm not really sure what we're arguing about. I said that the savings they might make on salaries might result in better TV. You said that's not the way it works, they have a fixed sum to spend. I said that the salaries come out of the fixed sum, leaving more to be spent on producing TV.

    Are you asking me now to explain how even a very slightly more generous budget might improve the quality of RTE programming? More to spend on buying in better TV from the UK and abroad. More to spend on writing, sets, research and new talent for homegrown programming. More to spend on travel programmes, documentaries, quality kids' programming.

    If I save money in one area I have a little more to spend in others. If I only buy secondhand clothes I can afford expensive shoes. If RTE isn't spunking wads of cash on inflated salaries for mediocre 'talent' they can afford better quality input elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,686 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Is he normally that boring in an interview?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Although it is off topic for this thread, we are discussing the merits/demerits of high salaries for RTE contractors. And this is the Radio Forum, but you want to discuss TV. I will leave it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 876 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    This thread is very much about the radio and TV personality Ryan Tubridy. Anyway, everything I have said applies to radio.

    I think that what has happened is that you contradicted me without really thinking about what you were saying, then you dug in, now you're ducking out. Which is fine. I don't enjoy spending my Sunday either thinking about Tubs and his ilk or pointlessly arguing with strangers either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    There's a RTÉ megathread, that would be more suited to a general discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 876 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    This thread is 277 pages of discussion of the LLS, RTE wages, Tubs' YouTube exploits and his various recent TV and RTE Guide appearances. I don't think I'm all that far off topic given the range of the debate so far. It seems to be an ideal spot to speculate on the effects of his downfall on RTE in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,628 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod - discussion of RT is fine, general discussion of all presenters and their pay should be taken to the dedicated thread.

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    The Data Requests would only have cost a couple of hours of someone's time. However, RTE Senior Management spent the 100k with Ireland's top legal experts (Author Cox from memory) to put legal blocks in providing the emails. Obviously to me anyway, there is something to hide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    Thanks, I had a listen and there was nothing about untruths to co-workers, NTM taxis and the use of RTE staff and equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    That's fine.

    Have a nice day.

    Tubridy on The Assembly Ireland tomorrow night at nine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭mountain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭phelixoflaherty




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,635 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Instead of paying for 1 Ryan Subsidy you might get 5 or 6 competent people with a career or cv to make something generally interesting and productive



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I think it would be a bet that one would be willing to lose to bet against Tubridy making a return to RTE. I definitely could see him presenting an outside production.

    I remember it reported just after the heat had gone out of the controversy that there was sympathy for him in Kildare and merrion st circles. That he effectively took all the punishment for the misdeeds and mistakes of rte. I don't agree with that assessment myself but that would really mean that the only obstacle to a return is rte itself, who he is clearly intent on softening up.

    What tubridy did show is that there is really no market for Irish broadcasting talent and therefore pay should reflect that market reality. Yes, Claire Byrne took a move but that was simply opportune as Kenny was surely planning on winding down soon anyway. Newstalk and Today FM do not have the capacity to take endless rte refugees.



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