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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭jayo44


    You're right but also Amorim is the only one that wanted to keep Bruno so hey he wasn't all bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    I certainly don’t think Amorim was all bad but he was flawed in many ways especially his temperament and mentality.

    Wanting to keep Bruno isn’t something I would give anyone much credit for 😅 I said back in May that I was concerned at how so many people on here were so blasé about the idea of him leaving. Now if he actually played a big role in Bruno staying then fair play, thanks Ruben, but despite what was said (by Bruno), I don’t really think Bruno signs that contract, even if Wilcox and Ratcliffe are pushing him to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    Steve Holland needs a shout out.

    Perfect right hand man for Carrickand the club right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,405 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Even if there is an argument to be made about cashing in on Bruno while we can, it just isn't feasible.

    Losing Casemiro's leadership and influence (not to mention his recent outstanding form), is bad enough. But we can't just ship out the club captain too and expect it to not cause problems.

    I just feel we have to maintain some stability in the leadership of the senior players. Imagine Casemiro, Bruno and Harry all leaving in the summer? It leaves too big of a void.

    I'd 100% keep Bruno at least a year. Preferably Maguire too if he'll accept a pay cut and the TOTD lads seem to think he would. Casemiro is already confirmed as going.

    Plus as mentioned earlier, Bruno doesn't get enough credit.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭jayo44


    Agree. Carrick was asked the weekend about him and he said it was himself that approached Steve after chatting to his brother on who he would make up his backroom with, they both knew Steve from George's Park.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    As much as I dislike him I have to give credit to Jason Wilcox for wanting us to revert away from 3 atb to a traditional formation, we look like a totally new team.

    If and it's a big if Carrick is kept on it has to be on a short deal like 2 years with stipulations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,401 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Not all manager risk is equal, no.

    But if we somehow knew the percentages, I would say that leaving a manager in place who has been delivering wins, is not that far behind any manager you can name in world football today, because none of them are even close to a guarantee.

    The only one I would be excited about is Ancelloti. Klopp, I would be concerned about his motivation, he looks like a man much happier out of the game. Pep would be miles outside his comfort zone. Enrique won titles with Barca and PSG but can he transition to the PL? Tuchel we already know about. Zidane is a huge unknown outside of that stacked Madrid team. After that you have a laundry list of flavour of the month managers and lads who have had plenty of failures along with their successes.

    In this hypothetical we have a manager in the hotseat who has delivered a great run of results that brought the club back into the CL with aplomb. So he has to have been doing something right. Do we really ditch that just to go for another "big name"? Is that big name really X% more likely to succeed than the guy who is currently doing well?

    I don't even much care if Carrick gets the job full time or not. I just don't think the club should be scared of doing the simple, obvious things just because people in the past turned out to be failures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    Most of this is fairly sound and it’s probably an argument I’d be more open to at the end of the season depending on what the realistic alternatives actually look like. There’s a big difference in the options being Glasner, Frank & Iraola vs Enrique. I do genuinely like the idea of Michael Carrick becoming Manchester United manager but -

    The “club in transition” point is interesting, but I’m not sure that’s the right time to take a punt on someone with Carrick’s level of experience. When a club is in transition, you want the best possible person to guide that transition, not someone learning the job at the same time.

    To me, saying “we’re in transition” can almost sound like “we’ve nothing to lose” and I don’t think that’s true. Getting the managerial decision wrong during a transition phase can set you back far more than getting it wrong when you’re already in a strong position. You can recover a lot easier. Otherwise, we might always be “in transition”.

    I’m probably like a broken record at this stage, but I still think we need to remember the context of this season. It’s a very favourable set of circumstances and it has to be taken into consideration when judging performances under Carrick, in the same way as with Amorim.

    Carrick and Holland do look very good right now and I don’t want it to come across that I’m ignoring that. My posts since he has come in have been full of his praises. If we’re getting into a debate about making him permanent, I think there needs to be a bit of push back on what looks like some people trying to simplify a situation that is not actually that simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    I agree for the most part. I don’t actually think the club are afraid to give it to Carrick at all. My belief is that if Wilcox and Berrada are of the opinion that it makes the most sense to keep Carrick in place - they’ll make that recommendation to Jim Ratcliffe and that will be that. And I’m not saying that’s wrong either - I obviously don’t know what’s right.

    It’s only been 4 games and already there is a part of me where I feel like it would be sad for him to go at the end of the season. Which to your point, is why we don’t make a decision until the season ends and we have more data.

    On the flavour of the month managers - yeah, fair but as you put it, mixed success and failures. Carrick hasn’t really had the chance to have that yet. So on the balance of things, managing Manchester United, someone with notable successes is probably more likely to do well.

    I still think if Luis Enrique becomes available, he is the better option.

    The best option might be for Carrick to come back at another stage in the future when he has had more experience - had more successes and learned from failures. Is more ready to be a long term success at United. As you know, if he gets it permanently and it doesn’t work out, that will be the end of it. There’s not going to be a second chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Its a very good sign that Carrick is looked for an experienced coach to work with and doesn't feel threatened by it. Because his own managerial CV is quite thin, so for him to succeed in a long term role the club will need to bring in a strong staff to support him and he'll need to be willing to listen to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,401 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Carrick could go away and work elsewhere and because management is fickle, never get the United job ever again because his time at a smaller club wasn't considered spectacular enough. Or he could get experience elsewhere, get another chance and do a Moyes on it.

    Or he could take his chance now, do a Di Matteo and win a sneaky trophy.

    Looking for the long term option really is a fools errand I think. You can't predict it, all you can do is give somebody a chance and if he wins games or shows something substantial then you stick with him, if not then you suck it up and move to the next guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,401 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    The "club in transition" thing is vastly overblown if you ask me. Certainly when it comes to the actual football team.

    Its not a bug turning into a butterfly, its just an organisation that wants to improve. Thats not a transition, thats just waking up tomorrow and making better decisions. Nothing fundamental is changing.

    You know what the wrong managerial decision was? Hiring a guy who wouldn't use his tools effectively and couldn't keep the motor running while you tried to improve things behind the scenes.

    You know what the right decision would be? Hiring somebody who uses his tools effectively and gets you results on the field. Its much easier to improve things when you are taking the pressure off by winning games and qualifying for more money.

    Sometimes things are quite simple. If Carrick/Holland win all/most of their next 13 games and storm into Europe, then just give them the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,583 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    He's been a massive upgrade on Amorim, if performances and results maintain until the end of the season there's no reason why we shouldn't at least offer him a 12 month contract.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,563 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I think the permanent managers job should be known by April to plan for the summer transfer window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    It can be known but the club dont have to announce it to the public.

    If they did decide to offer it to Carrrick, do so and just carry on. They can then plan the summer transfer window (which shouldn't be affected by who the manager is anyhow) and announce the new manager once the season is over.

    So what if the papers and pundits speculate, they will no matter what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭BKtje


    On the transition part, for me the club off the pitch is in transition, not on the pitch. The club not the team if you will. The team itself should always be adapting in one shape or form



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    Yeah, there’s definitely no ego with him. As a player he never wanted the spotlight, despite being such a crucial part of the team. He gave credit to Evans for the goal yesterday at the first opportunity, which says a lot about him.

    There’s no doubt he’ll listen to those around him. He really fits the head coach model - a quiet leader who empowers his players and staff. Very different to Amorim in that he is calm, good with the players, and not fragile.

    It’s hard to stay grounded about him at the moment when the signs are so encouraging, and I can completely see why Buckety views it as a straightforward decision if this continues - I just expect that next season will be a different beast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,771 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Carrick is mentally very strong. The things he overcome and did to become a footballer shows he got the right mindset.

    It may or may not work out but if he finishes strong he should get the job. If not then fair enough.

    We are bit obsessed with getting the big name.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Reminded of this time when fans started to say Mainoo didn’t have the stomach for it after the incident with his brother.

    He needed to fight to redeem himself like Amad did etc.

    Nope - he just needed a new manager. Like Amad. Really amazing how quickly fan sentiment can swing against and then back for a player when a manager takes an active disliking to them.

    McCoist and co. were talking about him and the England squad yesterday (personally think it’s too late). Mainoo is exactly the same player he was in December so it turns out he was completely justified in his view that Amorim was killing his career and he needed to do anything to get away from him. Who’d have thought!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,583 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Huge summer coming up and it's essential we get top 4.

    I hope we go all out for Fernandes from West Ham and Anderson, the latter will be hard to get it city come in.

    Cunha and Mbuemo is the policy of Liverpool in recent years, buying proven players in the league who were top class.

    We are going to be down Casimero and probably Ugarte.

    Kone and a youngster may get promoted, but we effectively have just Kobie as a centre midfielder next season.

    We will have a lot more games next season also.

    We have a very thin squad, we will need to make a good few signings to get any manager a chance next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    100% on squad depth being an issue. We are fortunate that we've only the minimum number of matches to contend with this season. You'd imagine that at a minimum we'll get an EL or ECL place which will mean a minimum of 8 more matches next season. We also went out with a whimper of both cup competitions. Considering Cas is definitely going and there are huge queation marks over the likes of Zerks and Ugarte, we'll need to be getting in at least 5 players that are ready for first team action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    I am hoping Bruno is the kind of clever, intelligent player who can play at a high level to 35, maybe longer, like David Silva, Modric etc. He won't lose the quality and if there are runners around him it can work.

    He was outrageous yesterday and a joy to watch. He looked like he was in his element too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Love this from berba and also good thinking from carrick

    “Carrick invited me to talk to Sesko last week. We had a positive discussion about organising his physical conditioning and decision-making in front of goal,” Berbatov said.

    https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/news/manchester-united-news-carrick-invited-me-to-talk-to-sesko--how-berbatov-helped-manchester-united-striker_591359.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Hoping for a City win or a draw today, would be great to challenge for 2nd but I'd rather the teams below us drop points, makes CL qualification easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    Yep a City win is fine. Keeps Liverpool 5 points and at least 5 GD away from us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Draw all day, gain 2 points on City and Villa and get 2 more ahead of LFC. We should realistically be aiming for second.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Of course we need to keep winning but we know we won't win every game so a cushion is nice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    We should be aiming for top 5. Anything above that, unless it’s a title win, isn’t important. Keeping the biggest challenger to us finishing top 5, as far away as possible makes the most sense for me.



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