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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 922 ✭✭✭ngunners


    Goal difference in double figures! It feels like it’s been a while



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,406 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    3pts off second.

    9pts off first.

    Makes those miserable results against Wolves, Everton & West Ham all the more irritating now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭SteM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    1000041011.jpg

    West Ham are in their stride. Wont be as easy as I thought. I know their keeper is pulling off some great saves lately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,685 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Hopefully these fuckers aren't the ones to spoil five wins in a row. It's nearly two years since 5 in a row was done. Luton Feb 18th 2024 and Rasmus had scored in six consecutive PL games. West Ham were also one of those five wins.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    I'm still raging from the last game of the 1994/95 season against them. Cole, McClair and Ince missing great chances iirc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭jayo44


    We should be beating them. Chelsea are the only team of note they played and they lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,773 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    And them beating us to stay up in 2007. It actually annoyed me at time

    And the abuse Beckham got from the hammers after the 98 World Cup.

    I openly admit I hate West Ham. Hope they go down. Beating them is always sweet.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭jayo44


    Attacked the team coach on the last game at Upton Park too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,773 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Thats right. They just seem think they are at the top tier level cause they won the 1966 World Cup apparently.

    EVENFLOW



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,095 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Lads, is it that outlandish to give Carrick the gig should top 4 be achieved?

    Andrews at Brentford should be a prime example. No head coaching experience at all, and has them flying against the odds. I know they are operating at a different level to United, but at the end of the day the Premier League is like trying to get a managerial job in a big tech company, you need some smarts about you.

    Look at the NFL, the scrutiny prespective coaches are put through is insane. PL should be the same, if your good enough to be even considered as an interim for a PL club, your in the top 1% in your job. The current coach of the Seahawks went from being an Offensive Coordinator to on the brink of the Super Bowl.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,731 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Well I am glad it's west ham next and not Brentford again yet.

    Maybe Carrick is the next Keith Andrews :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    100%, we are in the best form of the season, 2nd best in the league.

    Nice fit squad and nothing niggly for any of the players during the week please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    and maybe Roy Keane and our other heroes come crap pundits can ease up on the Eddie Howe love.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭BKtje


    I understand people have PTSD after OGS (I dont think the period was that bad at all, especially seeing as what happened since) but if he gets us top 4 then he has to be given the job as long as the contract is reasonable. We would have been happy to keep Amorim if he got us 4th (hell I just wanted a top 8 finish this year!), so why not Carrick?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭adaminho


    As an outsider looking in he's done enough to at least be in the conversation. The mistake with Ole was the rush to give him the contract after the PSG game. Wait till the end of the season and if ye get top 4 at least give him an interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,773 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Dont think it is. Will wait till end of season before we know.

    I think Carrick as a player and individual is very underrated

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭scottser


    If we get top 4 then certainly he should throw his name into the hat and let him outline his managerial vision to the interview panel. If the other candidates can't match Carrick's track record or methods then by all means offer him the job. I think Carrick as well as us would prefer the position be allocated on merit, not just on name, reputation or potential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,731 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Carrick always seemed a very intelligent player, read the game well, composed and calm. Qualities that stand to a manager as well imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭SteM


    Very good chance he'll get the job if he get top 4 imo. Don't care about what happened with Ole in the past, different people in charge back then. Ole had Woodward running things so it was amazing he did as well as he did. Woodward didn't have a clue about running a football club.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭jayo44


    If united get top four comfertable and a top top tier manager ain't available and not interested then hundred percent Carrick should be favourite. I wouldn't be getting rid of him to bring in any of the mid table managers in the prem I think that would be even more risky than Carrick.

    If we could get a Louis Enrique level manager I'd be not so sure.

    What hapenend with ole should not be a factor it's a total different circumstance and I fully believe Carrick would have more support and be better equipped than ole was.

    I think it's gonna be hard to leave it until end of season to make the decision alot of clubs going to be after top managers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,126 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    Was at the great NFL final in Croker between Donegal and Derry that day as a nuetral.

    Rushed to pub to catch last 20 mins of Utd game…..what a mood changer!😢🙈



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,406 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    The problem with "top tier" managers is that the line between success and failure is so very, very slim. Good managers fail at clubs all the time, average managers go on runs and win trophies, it is basically a crapshoot as to whether or not any particular manager will be the former or the latter.

    Enrique, Guardiola, Zidane for example, I wouldn't bet any mortgage on any of them being a guaranteed success at United. No more than top tier managers like Van Gaal or Mourinho were.

    Knowing that, knowing that whomever is picked is going to be a big risk no matter who it is, then why wouldn't you just go with the guy in place who is already there and winning games? Why not just let him continue on until he stops winning games, and then replace him then?

    I know some will come back with talk about long term planning etc etc. Thats just overthinking it. Long term planning is having the foundations and culture behind the scenes, it has nothing to do with "systems managers" or picking one way of playing.

    No contract should be handed to anybody before the summer. But when that time comes and if Carrick has 15 odd good performances and results, well, what better of an interview do people want?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Best guesstimate is where choosing a manager seems to land. Who would've thought Emery after Arsenal would've bounced back so well. Who thought Alonso at Real would end so abruptly. Ferguson to United was a shot in the dark and took 4 years to win a trophy and it nearly ended before before it began.

    Carrick? who knows. But after the last 12 years, from Moyes through to Amorim, who the hell really knows anything.

    Its fun right now though. And right now, that's enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    Your post seems to imply that all managerial risk is equal and I don’t agree with that at all. Saying that appointing someone like Luis Enrique, Pep Guardiola or Zinedine Zidane carries the same level of risk as making Michael Carrick permanent after a strong 15 game spell is heart over head thinking.

    I’ve really enjoyed Carrick’s start and what he and his staff are doing is great, but choosing the best possible candidate isn’t just about long term planning. It’s about putting the club in the strongest position possible to succeed and improve next season.

    This is a unique season. No Europe, just two cup games, far less travelling and a lot more time on the training pitch. These are advantages none of the other big clubs in England currently have and they create almost perfect conditions for an interim manager like Carrick to come in and get a run of results out of the squad. Those conditions will not exist in August. This is where the concern should be.

    IF performances fall off next season with the busier schedule and more demands on the squad, players not being as endearing of the manager like they were when he was interim - and we then have to move on to a new manager again - that’s another season written off. One where Bruno is in his prime and Mbeumo and Cunha are at the right age etc.

    Your argument seems to be ‘there’s a risk with any manager, so why not let Carrick take it’. My issue with that is that I don’t think all managers carry the same level of risk. As much as I love the idea of Carrick being the best answer, the probability is that he isn’t.

    He absolutely should be part of the conversation and if he keeps delivering results that strengthens his case of course. I want to be clear - I am not ruling him out at all - but even if Champions League qualification is achieved, you still have to seriously consider managers with a proven ability to compete at the top level and win things. If an opportunity to appoint someone of the calibre of Luis Enrique presents itself (it might not) - you don’t turn that down based purely on a short-term run, however enjoyable it has been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    Evidence is all we have.

    4 games in he has 4 out of 4, which is way more than anyone expected.

    But

    No idea what hes like in cup comps.

    No idea what hes like in Europen comps.

    Team looks good because Carrick has put square pegs in square holes. Play players where they should play.

    If he wins 15 or how many ganes are left we should really consider looking at a European champion and pl tightle winning push of a manager. Carrick doesnt have it, but if it does go to another manager hes done some job already in settling the ship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭BKtje


    If Carrick has us top 4 I think he deserves a shot next season, especially with a world cup year. I could see the club waiting for their manager to arrive after the world cup, breaking up pre season as a result and us spending a year getting used to the new manager. Carrick might not be a champions league winning manager but we are still a club in transition. Give him a two year contract and keep building behind the scenes and once the club has that settled and Carrick has shown us his ceiling then go get the "top tier manager". Any manager is a risk, top tier or otherwise, how will they handle the PL, the club, these players, this club setup. I'd prefer the devil I know then the devil I dont if the devil I know is doing well enough.

    This is all assuming Carrick keeps giving us decent results till the end of the season and gets us top 4 AND is motivated by the challenge!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,773 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Jesus 4 wins in a row. What a time to be alive eh.

    2 clean sheets in that too. Mad times.

    The signings in the summer have delivered.

    In fairness give Amorim credit his signings were on a different level to ETH.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭jayo44


    I think this thing of saying Carrick is playing players in their positions and its the magical fix is an injustice.

    I'm not tactical magician but I can see there's more too it than that. Of course Bruno is better further up that's obvious but we are setup more compact there's less gaps between midfield and defence and there is less space in the channels because our wingers are dropping back to help you the full backs.

    Our passing is better it's clear there's been a focus on faster passing we are moving the ball from defence to attack in less touches. We are attacking with 3 defenders, 2 midfielders and five players in attacking position so we are stretching teams wide it's making space for Casemiro and cunha and Bruno in the middle. It remind me of Chelsea from around 2016 I think.

    Even the set piece goal today the players didn't just come up with that it liek Carrick said it was thansk to Johnny Evans who put the time in coaching the routine.

    There's lots of things we are doing different not just saying you play here and play there and go enjoy yourself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    They’re not Amorim’s signings. They’re club signings. With at least two of them (Lammens and Sesko), Amorim wanted different players.



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