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Ev saving verses diesel

  • 03-02-2026 10:12PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭


    is it cheaper to run an EV than a diesel car?

    For example: If you are doing all your charging at home and you do any reasonable amount of km's it will pay to have a day/night rate. The increased day rate is 1.8c and your night rate is halved! The standing charge is also ~€50 more with day/night but if you work it out it still pays for itself once you have an EV and do reasonable mileage.

    Here's one example.

    15k km's per yer (thats fairly average)

    Ballpark figure for EV to do that is 18kWh/100km. All depends on driving style etc but in or around that.

    So, thats 2700kWh's to charge the EV for the year at home.

    Lets say you are a standard enough household using 4000kWh already.

    Energia 24hr rate for urban customer = 18.82c/kWh inc vat

    Standing charge = €304.86

    Energia day/night rate = 20.63/9.90c/kWh

    Standing charge = €367.21

    Calculations:

    24hr rate: €508.14 (EV) + €752.80(4000kWh) + €304.86(standing charge) = €1565.80

    Day/Night: €267.30(EV) + €825.20(4000kWh) +€367.21(standing charge) = €1459.71

    I have a Skoda Octavia 1.6 diesel. I spent €65 a fortnight on diesel and do about 15,000 KM maybe a bit more that roughly works €1680 per year on diesel.

    judging by these calculations there isn’t a great saving on the EV 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Why the standing charge? Do you not have electricity in the house already and pay a standing charge for it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 238 ✭✭dclifford


    What has the household usage of 4000kwh got to do with the calculation?

    7.8kwp South facing, Slane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,823 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Think, in fairness, your cals are a bit off - especially when you consider there are better rates that that for electricity, the standing charge is being paid anyway, and the 4000 kWh has nothing to do with the EV.

    You're also dealing with less potential servicing costs and items to go wrong with the car (granted this is variable) but generally servicing is considerably cheaper and there are less things to go wrong with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭poppers


    bord gais energy do a EV rate about 7c/kw so works out around €300. which is a 1300 saving.

    in your example youd still using the standard 4000kw of eletric and be paying the standard charge wheter you have a EV or not.

    to compare both this is what youd pay on fuel and eletric if you stick to diesel.

    24hr rate: €1650 Diesel + €752.80(4000kWh) + €304.86(standing charge) = €2707.66

    Day/Night: 1650 diesel + €825.20(4000kWh) +€367.21(standing charge) = €2442.41



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭chases0102


    Also the costs to install the charger



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭Birka


    You'd also need to factor in depreciation which is usually the main expense in motoring. In addition, component failure out of warranty in an EV will be an eye watering expense. It should also be noted that while EV servicing costs should be lower than ICE, they generally aren't (Tesla being the exception).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,540 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Maintenance should still be a little bit cheaper. EV service is a little bit less than petrol/diesel I thought. No timing belts, turbos, or DPF's to worry about either. A lot less brake wear too. But as you said an out of warranty EV repair can be eye watering. Depreciation definitely higher on an EV too no doubt.

    Tesla on the other hand. Genuinely no servicing costs at all. Tiny maintenance costs. Very little depreciation compared to other EV's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Pekarirska


    I sometimes drive from Waterford to Dublin. Need to charge up 35kWh to complete the drive one way.

    I'm with Pinergy so paying 6c/kWh.

    One way costs me €2.10. Any diesel that beats that?

    I live in the house that already has electricity, so no need to account for the standing charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,856 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    People sometimes forget when mentioning cheap ev tarriffs at certain times of the day/night that they usually end up paying above average unit rates for electricity in their household at the other times. Standing charge can be higher on these tarriffs too. You cannot just ignore that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    You can certainly count a difference in standing charge, differences in electricity rates are a bit more subtle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭AirBiscuit


    Unless you can get a home charger, with a EV night rate tariff, not use motorways at 120km/h regularly and rarely ever need to use DC charging, it will be close.

    I had an '07 Octavia that would average 56mpg even factoring in motorway drives. €50 Diesel would be enough to do 1.5 legs of the trip from work to home for the weekends (~330KM per leg), even when Diesel was over €1.90c/L.

    With a 64KWh Kona in rented accommodation where I can't install a charger and without a charger at work, 1 leg of that trip in Winter requires 2 charging stops totalling about €50 per leg. Efficiency varies largely summer vs winter. Now that it's winter I'll get about 6.5km per kwh on roads up to 100km/hour (15.4 kwh / 100KM) but that average efficiency drops all the way down to 5.3km per kwh after travelling the full length of the M17/18 (18.9kwh / 100km). In summer I got around 7.8 and 6.2 respectively.

    Long story short, if you don't have the means to do the bulk of your charging relatively cheaply then it's not really worth it.

    I could get an ancient Octavia fully serviced for under €150 at any garage of my choice. I've yet to get a quote for a Kona EV service for under €550 at multiple different Hyundai dealers because many traditional mechanics won't touch EVs. Teslas also have reduction gears that still need their oil changed as well, just with a whole lot less independent mechanics who will do this to keep the price competitive vs dealer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    My diesel car before getting 900kms from a 65 litre tank costing about 115 euro to fill @ 1.80 per litre

    My EV giving about 400kms per charge costing about 15 euro to charge at daytime rates @ 20c per kwh

    Cost per km in diesel 12c

    Cost per km in EV 4c

    20000kms a year so I save about 1600 in fuel a year

    Change that to night rate electricity which i dont have and the EV is going to cost about 1-2c per km



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭murphm45


    I think the reason for including the basic was to work out which plan was better but I suspect they then forget to net it against a base electrity bill. I'll let the op explain themselves.

    What I want to know is how you're getting such a cheap 24h electric price! Their basic is about 40c and despite being offered some loyalty discount at the end of last year I wasn't getting a 53% discount. Just wondering what hardball I need to be playing to those prices (sorry for the digression but had to ask)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,832 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    On the EV forums Kona owners say around 150- 300 for a main dealer service. Dunno where you get 500+. They have a big service at 60k for battery coolant.

    Skoda main dealers are around the 300ish mark going by their owner groups.

    Go to an indy that will touch an EV then. Lot less to do on an EV than ICE. It's easy for them.

    An ancient cat is going to need more parts than a newer car. It's not going to be basic service most of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    My experience

    Annual mileage 28,000km accounting for about 500km/week for work and another 2,000 per year for various other things

    in 2020 I was driving a Ford Mondeo that was costing me €60 a week to run on diesel. Annual cost, just for fuel, was €3,380

    Since 2023 I've been driving a similarly sized Tesla Model 3. The weekly cost for ~75kWh is less than €12 on the flogas day/night rate. So at €625 annual cost it's about a fifth of the price

    Annual fuel savings = €2,755 and that's before you consider the lower servicing costs

    Something that regularly gets raised is the initial cost of an EV over the cost of a diesel.

    Tesla's very own website right now has a used 2022 Model 3 for €28,300.

    A quick look on donedeal that kinda money for a 2022 model car gets you a Hyundai Tucson petrol a Toyota C-HR hybrid or an Audi A3 1L Petrol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    You'd want to check your meter tails and earth. If the house is from the 1990s or older they'll likely need upgrading to install a charger. I'be heard some big quotes for this work. If you are doing only 15k kms per year you could be some time clawing back the cost through fuel savings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    Telsa Model 3 looks smaller than a Ford Mondeo. Would the boot size be similar? What is power comparison to a Ford Mondeo 2 ltr diesel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    I pay €120 to service my Kona EV with Joe Duffy, that's up from €90 when I bought it back in 2019.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,508 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    My first year driving an EV we were on Bord Gais EV rate, 7c/KwH. Did 25K KM (some was charged at work, but probably 75% charged at home). We also tried to move some dishwashers, drying and washing to the EV rate when possible.

    Fuel wise the EV was costing 1/10th of the cost per KM of our previous diesel car.

    But after a year I put our usage for the year into energypal.ie and it was €20 a month cheaper to move to a Day/night rate. I work from home and we have a couple of young kids and I guess we just use too much electricity during the day to make up for the car being cheaper to charge.

    So now the car was only 1/5th of the price of the diesel car to do a KM. But our current figures are very similar to @Red Silurian , we are still saving +€2k a year.

    Even considering the cost of the charger, we probably have saved about €3.5-4k in the two years (50k km)since we got the EV. We bought a 2 year old car from the north and I think we have done pretty well with depreciation, probably €5k at the most.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    Unit Price 2am to 5am Everyday

    5.49

    5.99

    Unit Price All other times

    38.32

    41.77

    You are paying c30% more for all your other electricity. You should include that in your calculation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭oinkely


    in the early days of EVs this came up fairly regularly. Savings were generally considerable for an EV over any ICE, for ourselves moving from a 1.4 petrol scenic to a 24kw leaf it was about a 75% saving in running costs. That did not include the free ESB charging at the time, but was based on charging at night rate. The cost saving vs our 2.0 diesel renault trafic at the time were a staggering 90%.

    At this stage the landscape has changed - no free ESB charging anymore, and now i don't even get free charging in work. That said, at night rate electricity vs diesel we are still at about 30% of the cost for running an EV vs the diesel renault trafic. Admittedly there are much more frugal diesel cars out there but i don't own any of them so my comparison is with the trafic.

    The savings are high enough that running a very cheap EV as a third car (including tax / insurance / etc) as a local run around / commuter is actually cheaper than putting diesel in the van.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Pekarirska


    I pay about one euro a month for day time electricity. Car charging, 12 kWh usable home battery, immersion, dishwasher, and a washing machine run between 3 and 5 am. The battery and solar run the house ouside the 3-5am window. Excess solar and whatever is left in the battery at the end of the day get exported to the grid at 25c/kWh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    That's a huge infrastructure investment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,512 ✭✭✭✭josip


    A boardsie used my referral code to buy his new Tesla in Dec 2024. So last summer I had €750 worth of free charging. Don't ever remember getting that in the Octy :)

    Although they did once give me half price parts on a replacement water pump that failed on a 2 year old car on the other side of Europe on me, so there's at least that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭Pat734


    Drive a Seal design, have home charger, a Zappi and the cost to me for 15,000 kms would be, give or take a couple of euro €290.00. If you have a home charger an EV is a total no brainer, now the Irish people are seeing it with all the EV's being bought. It's only going to increase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,827 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    With respect to the OP, this is exactly the kind of shìte we see all the time. Not having a clue about the topic and misunderstanding the basic fundamentals of running an EV. Adding the cost of the already included electricity costs into the fuel costs is a new one for me though 🤣.

    As is often the answer.....it depends. My fuel is definitely much cheaper.

    Stay Free



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Externally may be smaller but internally has more space, More storage and better performance.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Charger install about €699

    IMG_0380.jpeg


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Huge is relative.
    5kW arrays and 10 kWh batteries can be supplied and fitted for less than €8k now a days.



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