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Bord Bia Problem

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Who audits the auditors? This suggests no one does.

    And like the current Chairman, it reduces the credibility of the Bord Bia mark that we all have to bend over backwards for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Having worked for one of the major processor's in the UK for a number of years before coming home I know exactly how precise the Supermarkets are. I also know how crooked they are too. That label would have had to be sent by McCormacks or whoever packed it for sign off by the retailer. It wasn't some honest mistake it's deliberate misleading. They are hoping that Mary sees the Irish flag and goes yeah I'll choose that cos it's Irish, they are relying on joe public being too lazy to read the back of the packet. But as Siamsa is saying who auditing them? My guess is no one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    I think it was aurivo won a case against a supermarket 🤔 about something similar something about an fictious creamery .....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I've no doubt you are correct.

    As regards the AA HE schemes in my book a p minus Angus is still an Angus all day long but the processors are profiting on a grading scheme. The big three being the most convoluted grading machines in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    I seen it one time with a SH bullock I had, he as out of a jersey and apart from colouring that was the only SH breeding in him. Anyway I sold him to the factory expecting a P grade was pleasantly surprised to get an O+. Said it to my agent he said the factory had some contract to supply O+ or better grading SH cattle to some retailer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Base price




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I'm just after reading Murrins interview with the IFJ and IMO it becomes even clearer that he his talking out of both sides of his mouth. At the end of the article it states that "products made by Dawn Farm Foods do not carry the Bord Bia Quality mark" - that is a clear conflict of interest. Scenario - Murrin/Bord Bia are out in a younder country promoting Irish Quality Assured products but the price is too high due to the certification/checks/process that Irish farmers/food producers have to go through to achieve the Bord Bia Quality stamp, then low a behold Murrin/Dawn Farm Foods slides in on the left flank offering a cheaper alternative. It's a win, win for him and his company plus the fact that the Irish taxpayer has paid for his flight and hotel expenses.

    Edit to add - there is a clear conflict of interest with Murrin and his position in Bord Bia.

    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/news/news/emotional-nonsense-murrin-on-beef-imports-and-why-he-intends-to-stay-put-902358

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,332 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Heydon was ranting at the IFA this morning too and fully backing Murrin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Very foolish for any politician to back themselves into a corner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭leoch


    Why are the governments past and present so afraid of the meat cartels



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    One of them will go - which one is the question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The Minister could disband the Board as it's not now capable of fulfilling its mandate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭kk.man


    If an Irish farmer bought a breeding animal from a red tractor farm in the UK and after some years it needed to be slaughtered from its Irish farm. Dawn Meats would give you very little for said animal if they would even take it off your hands despite it qa in Ireland. Yet Dawn Farm Foods have no issue importing god knows from Brazil and selling it to its uks customers. The mind boggles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Dawn Farm Foods are importing Brazilian beef but how much poultry and pork are they also importing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭kk.man


    God knows, how much are all the Barons importing and we awash with beef.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,110 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Technically then we have an issue. I suspect that every processor handles a certain amount of Brazilian beef. If we follow on from this then no representative from a food processors should be sitting on Board Bia. Murinn is not involved in the day to day running of of BB.

    Now we could follow this on with that as beef farmers we all use imported grains to some extent or other. Many lads here are big into using Soya as a protein source. Virtually all the Soya we use comes from Brazil. Therefore should we ban grain imports from outside the EU.

    I know a big commercial honey producer that imports Spanish honey to blend with the Irish honey. He would have to close his business otherwise.

    Mercosur is another red herring IMO. Yes it going to hit beef a bit. I am not enamoured however I also know that we are an open economy and for many multi nationals it will mean new markets. I see many young people locally working in factories in Limerick. Many are children if farmers.

    If Dawn rebrand Brazilian beef as Irish and mark it with BB logo. Yes I have an iussue with that. However there is no sign that this us happening. Yes we should screw them over cattle and sheep that have moved countries. However the numbers are very limited.

    We are an open economy and make money because of it. We cannot be shouting and roaring all the time about imports when we are dependent on exports.

    We need to make sure labeling is clear and that at any sign of hormones that the boot goes in

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    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,916 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Farmers wouldn't actually have that much to complain about if it was being produced to the same standards as to what we comply with. We all know it isn't.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    The cover-up and reaction is usually worse than the scandal. I said that weeks ago here but sure that’s hardly insightful and I thought every politician (or Chairman) knew that.

    Heydon misjudged what he should do and now the cover-up/reaction is turning into a full-blown mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    I imagine the TD's are trying to be seen to scold the farming orgs for the rejection of the Mercosur, Niall Collins on Virgin Media last night was at it aswell. Alot more votes for them in the non farming sectors looking to the next few elections so they probably feel they need to go after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Where's Michael Healy Rea on this .... if he was in opposition he'd be firing on all cylinders



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    Im not defending him but my guess is they are watching how this progresses id say they know there going to pull down the government if they go to far plus the backbenchers may just do it for them 🤔 the knifes are out for Micheal martin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭kk.man


    You do have valid points Bass but there is serious anger. Since horse meat scandal you would think any serious player would have the cop on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭grass10


    You should know Bass is a fully paid up member of the barons and they just think they can get beef from Brazil and the little people should stay quite and do as they are told and comply with the most stringent rules in the world while the barons do whatever they want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Pat734


    At last someone with common sense who can see the bigger picture. Farmers should be very careful what they wish for, do a bit of research themselves and not always follow like sheep. Certainly being very badly led on this and a fair few other things too in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    The bigger picture is not in question with regards to Bord Bia. Bord Bia is a well established certified brand that is know and trusted - I doubt any on here disputes that fact. However IMO and lots of others, you cannot have the Chairman talking out of both sides of his mouth. Murrin is promoting certified Irish produced food that producers have to jump through hoops to get accreditation yet his company produces products with non certified/unregulated ingredients from Brazil - that is a pure example of double standards and on that basis he must resign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,110 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If I walk into a Mace, Central or any other convience store and order a chicken fillet roll or I get a couple southern fried pieces, I assume they are from Thailand. If I get a breakfast roll there is probably a 50/50 chance its non Irish pork. The sliced beef for a roll is probably not Irish. The burger probably is Irish.

    If I pick up a frozen Pizza ( its probably a decade since I bought one) in a supermarket, branded or own brand I know that any meat products in it are probably non EU.

    Therefore no retailer should sit on any Irish semi state food board. No person working for Dieago or in the whiskey industry the same as there is a substantial amount of malting grain coming from abroad. Meat processor either.

    What about our co-ops that produce fruit flavoured yogurts is all the fruit EU sourced. The cranberries in those or cranberry cheeses. So no co-op person should sit on the board probably either. We should fill the boards of ethical business people..........that will be a hard find......I am not too ethical myself.

    Let him without sin cast the first stone

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    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,599 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Fine geal going all in with Larry, if a few rural ff/fg tds plus healy reas etc get the notion of actually trying to keep their farming/rural base on side, we could have a general election shorty enough, whatever about the rights and wrongs, the message is farmers need to be put back in their box and do as their told..

    Fine geal especially are engaging in a act of self-sabotage, thats hard to fathom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,110 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There is not going to be a general election over this. Murin may go in the end but any other person on the board who has has businesses interests in the food or retail need to resign then as well

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    No government TD or minister is going to come out and say the X is to be removed from their position. If they did, X would have a case for unfair dismissal. But you would presume that talking are been had to persuade Larry to fall on his own sword.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    By default, the Govt has to back the state bodies when something happens. They can't immediately go against them or even sit on the fence - they have to be seen to back their own. That's only natural.

    Heydon got it right first day when he damned Murrin with faint praise, saying he'd done his job "satisfactorily". That should have been Murrin's cue to resign, with the usual non-apologies statement. He'd have been quietly looked after and appointed to some other board in a few months. And that would have been that.

    But now it's a political mess, with some FF backbenchers already breaking ranks and calling for him to go. Maybe FG and FF were pee-d off with farmers (and the Independent TDs) over Mercosur , but for whatever reason, they've now dug their heels in.

    I rang the 4 TDs (FF, FG, and 2 x SF) in my constituency and told them Murrin had to go and Bord Bia was losing credibility every day this drags on.

    It won't change things on its own, but if more farmers rang their TDs it might be a tipping point. If you can't get thru, leave a message. It only takes 2 mins per TD.



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