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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭FtD v2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Juventu4


    Its something worth looking, at times you'd have players pull up in the captains run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The officials are doing their best. It genuinely mystifies me how much abuse they get, especially the psychotic stuff about corruption. Is all this seeping in from soccer or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭moonshy2022


    Social media probably. There are far too many loons in the world and a good bit of that is seeping out on to pitches of all sorts. Players used to have little or no presents online in any form a few years ago, now they are all posting and updating instagram and others regularly. Players are not perfect and can be as naive as anyone else and believe any sort of made up cr@p online. Just look at the cr@p that follows around any South African rugby team, they have an entire army of trolls on social media ready to fake up pictures and videos. It must be a difficult environment for any South African player to be in and not get sucked up in that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,870 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Mange tout Del Boy, mange tout.

    Aki-gate certainly is causing a wild variety of opinions from the learned rugby scribes tonight.

    Rud O'Connor in the Indo describing, more or less, how Aki had it coming, for a years-long record of insolence and insubordination, to both officials and coaches alike within the Irish system.

    Mr Thornley, in the paper of record, crying foul, not just of the preemptive and anticipatory nature of the Union ban ahead of the League disciplinary, but that all of Connacht are entitled to be paranoid at how harshly their men are treated for complaining about how leniently Leinster, in particular, are treated in turn by officials on the pitch for high hits and what not.

    Further, he says it would be bordering on a criminal way to end the international career of "the most popular player in Ireland" should he never be selected again.

    All joking aside, its one of the worst pieces of Thornley's I have ever read, peevish and subjective, barely giving any weight to the grim record of Aki's conduct with officialdom on and off the field, which is well documented and unavoidable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,709 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It would be a sad way to end his Ireland career. But if someone else steps up and fills the 12 jersey, then that's what should happen.

    As the fella says about retirement: go when people are asking "why" not "when".

    He could have been an unqualified hero if he retired on his own terms.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    He's still a hero, just like Paul O'Connell and everyone else who didn't get a protracted send-off but bowed out after injury, suspension or just not being the best any more.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Thornley has a pretty grim track record of blaming officials for all of his favourite team's woes so not surprised he sympathises with Aki.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The interpretation of Thornley's article posted earlier is a bit biased.

    It leaves out things like below which was just after saying a sad way to end the career

    "Of course, by the same token, the IRFU has to defend its referees and match officials as well as its players, and there’s a line that the latter cannot cross. The game needs characters, it’s true, but it needs referees even more.

    And on Connacht

    "There has long been a widespread belief among supporters, players, coaches et al in Connacht that they receive an unfair crack of the whip from officialdom".

    Sympathize with Aki he does as you say but he also makes it clear that the suspension is right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Thornley has the same article about the anti-Connacht conspiracy theory that gets recycled over and over, he just changes the first and last paragraphs.

    But on the wider question, it seems to be assumed that this is the end of Aki's test career, I'm not sure why that is.

    If things go badly against England and France, and assuming Henshaw is out for the duration, I could very well see Aki coming back into the 23 jersey for rounds 4 & 5.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I think we'll almost certainly still see Aki towards the back-end of the 6 Nations when his ban is over.

    We know Farrell very much values vibes in camp, and puts significance into milestones etc. so I think we'll, at a minimum, see him off the bench vs Wales or Scotland.

    This is undoubtedly a black mark against him, but for me, he'll go down as a legend of Irish rugby. Best 12 of the pro era?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    The mistake many on here are making is assuming Thronley is still a credible source anymore. More interested in “hot takes” than reporting actual facts.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Best 12 of the pro era?

    Hmmm…good question. I think his peak was quite probably the best, not sure he was as consistent as he could have been.

    I'm sure he'll be brought back into camp but he is not particularly in form (not that that ever mattered for him in the past) but a lot will depend on how the opening games go. I know Farrell loves a centre on his bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    Was debating this only recently and i think bundees performances at the last World Cup and 2023 in general edge him ahead of Darcy. Henshaw next in line and always special mention for Paddy Wallace for starting the first 3 games in the 09 Grand Slam.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,305 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    If things aren't going well in the 6N I would suggest that bringing 35 year old out of form Bundee Aki back in is the exact opposite of what Farrell should be doing.

    That would smell like a real panicky move to me.

    He needs to look in the other direction age wise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Following players sent back to their clubs by France, and presumably not in line to face us the following Thursday:

    Cyril BAILLE

    Dany PRISO

    Tevita TATAFU

    Joshua BRENNAN

    Thomas STANIFORTH

    Cameron WOKI

    Alexandre FISCHER

    Temo MATIU

    Alexandre ROUMAT

    Ugo SEUNES

    Noah NÉNÉ

    Aaron GRANDIDIER-NKANANG

    Grégoire ARFEUIL

    Romain BUROS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Memory failing me here, but wasn't it also Paddy Wallace that gave away that penalty vs Wales in the 09 Grand Slam?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,059 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,758 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If the ridiculously overrated Postlethwaite is the only one standing in his way then his career is not over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Pretty harsh assessment of a 23 year-old. But Dan Kelly is another who is a good age profile and is someone I expect to pick up caps over the next number of years. We have some options. But still fully expecting Farrell to go with Aki.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Yeah, a ridiculously overrated 23-year-old who is 6ft 4ins tall, well over 105kgs, capable of playing well in both centre positions, pacy, strong and with a good footballing ability too.

    Utterly nonsensical take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,758 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The Mack Hansen case is totally different. The Sexton one is the same thing. Leinster player got a three match ban, Connacht player got four. Kinda backs up the argument.

    I'm a Connacht fan and we get a raw deal from a few refs when we play bigger teams like Leinster and Munster. Sit down and watch a full Connacht game against either with Cross as ref and you wouldn't disagree.

    I'm not bitter, I don't get like that but it does seem that Cross sides with the bigger team a lot and I don't think it's just in Connacht games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    How have you gotten a raw deal lately? Why don't you cite some specific examples?

    Bundee was a prior offender with a bad disciplinary record (multiple red cards throughout his career, abused a ref in 2017 and refused to leave the field originally when carded against the Stormers in SA a few years back). He's absolutely blessed to have gotten the suspension he got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Aki had been banned previously. And he refused to accept blame

    Sexton was his first time and he accepted the charge.

    Hence differing outcomes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,420 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Oh dear. The Sexton case is different. Obviously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,313 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The Sexton case is different and because he was in civvies with AAA Badge he really should have got a longer ban but it is what it is now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Rayray98


    This is rumoured to be the French bench versus Ireland


    16- Lamothe 17- Neti - 18- Aldegheri -19 Meafou -20 Auradou -21 Nouchi -22 Serin -23 Gourgues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    How does that have any bearing on it whatsoever?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Massive difference between a player who was actually playing and some guy jumping out of the stand even if he is normally a player.



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